DCKingsFan's OFFICIAL Offseason Predictions Game. (Free Agency starts 12/9/2011)!

[nuraman00]

Predict where any of the following will go.

1 point for each correct guess. You can guess that someone will retire, that counts too.

Yao doesn't count though since he's already stated he's retired.

1 point for correct years on new contract (include all options years).

Use the list below as a reference, but only include the players you're actually making predictions for, in your predictions post.

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DCKingsFan's Official Offseason Predictions Thread. (http://boards.espn.go.com/boards/mb/mb?sport=nba&id=sac&tid=6890174) (2010)

Champ: DCKingsFan (http://boards.espn.go.com/boards/mb/mb?fromUID=1576227527&username=DCKingsFan)

Prize:

Sorry but the prizes will not be awarded. The NBA and the players union had been matching us in order to provide the prizes but Stern got a hold of the fund... sigh.
And our portion of the fund was depleted when the the penthouse suite at the Marriott in Anaheim burnt down (http://img1.photographersdirect.com/img/12597/wm/pd2005834.jpg)after a wild party thrown by one of our posters. Word has it that the posters drinking games got a little out of hand. They were seeing which alchoholic beverages burned the brightest when some hamsters (http://www.flickr.com/photos/bigwayne/609602190/) from Iowa knocked over the drinks and ran through the hotel.


Really quite a sad tale for the hamsters, Anahiem and our prize fund.



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http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-11-12



Atlanta

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Hilton Armstrong
Jason Collins
Jamal Crawford
Josh Powell
Etan Thomas
Damien Wilkins


Boston

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Jeff Green


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Carlos Arroyo
Glen Davis
Nenad Krstic
Troy Murphy
Sasha Pavlovic
Von Wafer
Delonte West

Charlotte

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Dante Cunningham

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Kwame Brown
Dominic McGuire
Joel Przybilla
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Rasual Butler
Brian Scalabrine
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Jose Juan Barea
Caron Butler
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Denver

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Melvin Ely
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Tracy McGrady
Tayshaun Prince
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Reggie Williams

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Al Thornton
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Houston

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Mike Dunleavy
T.J. Ford
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Shannon Brown
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Mike Bibby
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Dan Gadzuric
Kris Humphries
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Marco Belinelli

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Willie Green
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Derrick Brown

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Anthony Carter
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Daequan Cook

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Malik Allen
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Greg Oden

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Marcus Thornton

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Francisco Elson
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Washington

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Nick Young

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Maurice Evans
Josh Howard
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[DCKingsFan]

Whoa, I am going to need to bone back on the NBA FA stuff. Do you like the new CBA? Do you think it helps the Kings?

[Eze]

I'm trying to figure out exactly how the new CBA is really going to make that much of an improvement.

I don't see anything really changing other than Dallas, New York and Los Angeles not throwing the MLE at a new single player every year. And players that take those will most likely just split them in 2 or 3.

I mean, crap, what's the first post lockout story of the season? That Chris Paul wants to play in LA or NY. The NBA told me that the CBA was supposed to make Cp3 want to play for Indiana or Milwaukee. lol

[DCKingsFan]

Yep, looks to be more of the same. Really not to happy about how it turned out. As a fan, I didn't care about the split but rather the ability of small market teams to compete. And I don't think this agreement goes far enough in that direction -- don't know why they didn't ask my advice :|

[Gunshot]

the luxury tax is bullshit......

[IowaSacKing93]

the luxury tax is bullshit......

No, this wedding is what's horseshit.

[IowaSacKing93]

hamsters from Iowa knocked over the drinks and ran through the hotel.

Woah.

I didn't even read this last year.

Those hamsters are straight from hell AKA Dutch_litchford's basement, not from Iowa.

[nuraman00]

I'm trying to figure out exactly how the new CBA is really going to make that much of an improvement.

I don't see anything really changing other than Dallas, New York and Los Angeles not throwing the MLE at a new single player every year. And players that take those will most likely just split them in 2 or 3.

I mean, crap, what's the first post lockout story of the season? That Chris Paul wants to play in LA or NY. The NBA told me that the CBA was supposed to make Cp3 want to play for Indiana or Milwaukee. lol


Yep, looks to be more of the same. Really not to happy about how it turned out. As a fan, I didn't care about the split but rather the ability of small market teams to compete. And I don't think this agreement goes far enough in that direction -- don't know why they didn't ask my advice http://kingsforum.net/live/images/smilies/straightface.gif


I think that will curb the repeat, excessive taxpayers. I think. Then again, perhaps not. Perhaps $30 Million in extra taxes is nothing to Paul Allen and Mark Cuban.

Buss has been a bit more conservative with paying tax for 3rd stringers. He usually seems to waive guys like Jannero Pargo right before the cut-off date to save some tax money.

I also think bad G.M.s are responsible for a lot of the problems, especially in small markets. Or contracts that turned bad (Andrei Kirilenko). There's only about 5 good G.M.s in the league, and in the past five years, Petrie hasn't been one of them. He's a few good moves from being in that range, but I'd like to see what kind of FA contracts or trades he executes.

[nuraman00]

Whoa, I am going to need to bone back on the NBA FA stuff.

Do you mean get up to speed with who are free agents?

Or are you referring to something else (as in this predictions game)?

[Eze]

I also think bad G.M.s are responsible for a lot of the problems, especially in small markets. Or contracts that turned bad (Andrei Kirilenko). There's only about 5 good G.M.s in the league, and in the past five years, Petrie hasn't been one of them. He's a few good moves from being in that range, but I'd like to see what kind of FA contracts or trades he executes.

I don't disagree, BUT, it's a product of the league. If you're a FA, where are you going to pick to play - Sacramento or Chicago? Indiana or LA? The only thing they can do is offer them as much money as possible and in the end, it burns them. Bad business, but, sadly the only way they can even have a business.

[nuraman00]

I don't disagree, BUT, it's a product of the league. If you're a FA, where are you going to pick to play - Sacramento or Chicago? Indiana or LA? The only thing they can do is offer them as much money as possible and in the end, it burns them. Bad business, but, sadly the only way they can even have a business.

It's ok to overpay guys like Carlos Boozer or David Lee or Zach Randolph. Those guys are good.

What is hurting some teams is that they're overpaying guys like Beno Udrih or Travis Outlaw or Marcus Banks, giving them five year deals. Those guys aren't even above average starters.

[DCKingsFan]

Actually, the hamsters are on trial back in Iowa as we speak...

[Eze]

It's ok to overpay guys like Carlos Boozer or David Lee or Zach Randolph. Those guys are good.

Is it really? They're borderline All-Star talents. I'd be pretty bummed if my team was paying any of them their current contracts.

[IowaSacKing93]

Actually, the hamsters are on trial back in Iowa as we speak...

They're all dead. Fritz I through Fritz V.

There was a short-lived Fritz VI. But nuraman00 used him in his special Halloween Hamster Jumbolaya. He truly is heartless.

[IowaSacKing93]

Is it really? They're borderline All-Star talents. I'd be pretty bummed if my team was paying any of them their current contracts.

Agree. They're tier 2 or tier 3 players. It's ok to overpay the best in the league because they're going to demand it and there's heavy competition for those guys. But Boozer has been a disappointment in Chicago Imo. David Lee will never be able to shine in GS, he'll always be the 3rd or 4th option. And Randolph has rejuvinated his career in Memphis, but how much does he have left in the tank? Is it ok to give these guys huge 5 or 6 year deals? It just seems like those long-term deals never favor the team, in the end.

[nuraman00]

Is it really? They're borderline All-Star talents. I'd be pretty bummed if my team was paying any of them their current contracts.

I guess I wouldn't, lol. They're still a small group of talented players, that are a lot better than Hickson. They're still probably in the top 7 at their position.

[nuraman00]

Agree. They're tier 2 or tier 3 players. It's ok to overpay the best in the league because they're going to demand it and there's heavy competition for those guys. But Boozer has been a disappointment in Chicago Imo. David Lee will never be able to shine in GS, he'll always be the 3rd or 4th option. And Randolph has rejuvinated his career in Memphis, but how much does he have left in the tank? Is it ok to give these guys huge 5 or 6 year deals? It just seems like those long-term deals never favor the team, in the end.

Zach Randolph signed a 4 year contract. That's not as longterm nor as damaging IMO.

Boozer: I think the problem is Derrick Rose. And Tom Thibbadeau. Rose doesn't use his bigs very well. When I watched Tony Parker play with his bigs, including Noah, for Team France this summer, he was able to get all of those guys to score easily. I also don't think Thibbadeau has much of an offensive system, if any. I also think if you swapped Rose with Deron Williams or Tony Parker, then Boozer would have better stats. They barely run a pick and roll for Boozer like he had in Utah.

An 18.8 PER in a down year is still good, and he can still produce a PER in the 20s IMO. Boozer hasn't seemed to score as well with Roland Rating. I'd be interested to see how he fared in Wins Produced, but that site is down.

As for Lee, if he's in the right situation he can be good. He needs a defensive big to play next to. Like Nene or DeAndre Jordan. Also, playing with Ellis and Curry is not good for him either. But, I do think David Lee to Dorrell Wright was one of the top assisting plays from a non-PG last year. Lee still facilitated the offense by catching the ball in the midrange and kicking it out to other players.

Also, with the new CBA since contract lengths are reduced to 5 years for your own Bird Rights FA, and 4 years for an outside FA, then I think it's more likely to favor the team. 5 year and 4 year deals should have less dead years on at the end. So if you're lopping off a year off of Lee, it should look better IMO. And Boozer only signed a 5 year deal.

As for Randolph, he's had mostly good years, he was just mostly on bad teams with bad guards. In Portland, Steve Blake was his PG for a few years. New York obviously had a flawed roster. With the Clippers, he was hurt for about 30 games. But when Camby and Randolph played together, Camby always had this bounce pass play to Randolph. And they had a flawed roster too. Randolph's situation isn't that different from Al Jefferson's in Minnesota/Boston, or Shareef's in Atlanta, etc. You can have a pretty good big man stuck with a below average backcourt, and you'll miss the playoffs.

In general, I think guards get you back faster to the playoffs than bigs, while bigs help you take the next step to being elite. I think you're more likely to miss the playoffs with a good big but no guards, than with a good guard and no bigs.

[nuraman00]

Divac was also a bit overpaid, getting a six year contract from the Kings. That's the reason he came to the Kings. But he was productive, and he was healthy. And the Kings were able to build with him.

That's what I think some of these 2nd tier PFs (like Divac was) can mean to their teams. They can still be very productive, and teams can still win with them.

Boozer or Randolph aren't holding their teams back, it's other starting spots for their respective teams.

[Eze]

You could put any okay PF (David West, etc) with Rose IMO and they'd be just as good if not better than they are. Boozer's one of the softest guys in the league.

Randolph can play when he's motivated, which he appeared to be last year, but he's a total cancer and I'm not sure I'd want him near my team for free, let alone for 16 million a year.

The Divac signing would have looked pretty eh had the Kings not lucked into Webber. JMO though.

[DCKingsFan]

I haven't seen the actual wording on the luxury tax for the new CBA yet. But, I would say that the big 4 are:

Amnesty provision - benefits large market teams, they can take gamble and not have it bite them in the ...

Revenue sharing - benefits the small market teams under the cap or near the cap since it triples the luxury tax on large market overspending teams.

Limits for teams over the cap - teams more than $4 million above the tax level cannot receive a player in a sign-and-trade transaction, this will be huge... think Lakers and no Dwight, to bad it doesn't take effect until '13. It will make it harder for players to demand a sign and trade.

Midlevel exception - This is a big win for teams under the cap. they can offer $5M vs $3M and longer duration contracts. But small market teams need to be smart and apply this only to the "good" players. I worry about Petrie on this issue as he does not have a good recent track record.

[Eze]

I really wish they would have made the $5m vs $3m hamper ALL teams over the cap, just not in the tax. There were only 7 teams that finished in the "tax" level last year.

Boston, Dallas, Lakers, Bucks (by a million), Magic, Blazers, Jazz. Generally, Boston, LA and Dallas wont care - they'll just try to avoid being extremely far over.

[nuraman00]

I haven't seen the actual wording on the luxury tax for the new CBA yet. But, I would say that the big 4 are:

Amnesty provision - benefits large market teams, they can take gamble and not have it bite them in the ...



I'd say it affects all kinds of teams, regardless of market size. With teams like Portland likely to amnesty Brandon Roy, and teams like Orlando likely to amnesty Arenas, it helps them too.

The Jazz may amnesty Okur. The Cavs will probably waive Baron Davis. (Helps them rebuild faster). The Clippers might have been better off not trading Baron Davis, using the amnesty on him, then trying to trade or sign Chris Paul or Dwight Howard.

Also, the amnesty clause only affects contracts that were signed under the old C.B.A. So it's not like large market teams can take gambles in the future and then just use amnesty.

[nuraman00]

I haven't seen the actual wording on the luxury tax for the new CBA yet.

Did you read this?

http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/7303114/everything-ever-want-know-new-nba-labor-deal

Or this?

Memo:

Click here to read the complete PDF (https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B_JqVMjKAfLYNzU3YzVlNDAtMDBlOS00Y2UwLWE5Z TItM2RkZTdjN2FmMzI4)

[nuraman00]

You could put any okay PF (David West, etc) with Rose IMO and they'd be just as good if not better than they are. Boozer's one of the softest guys in the league.

Randolph can play when he's motivated, which he appeared to be last year, but he's a total cancer and I'm not sure I'd want him near my team for free, let alone for 16 million a year.

The Divac signing would have looked pretty eh had the Kings not lucked into Webber. JMO though.

Agree with substituting a guy like David West for Boozer.

As for Boozer's defense, I think there's two things. One, is that he's ok at guarding stronger guys that play primarily in the post. Think Duncan from a few years ago, or Bynum. But any PF with more of a driving game, that where he has problems.

The other thing is, Boozer is like Zach Randolph, in that his rebounding is his defense. Both of those guys are so good at rebounding, and rebounding is a part of defense, that they should get some credit for being able to get defensive rebounds like they do.

Also, Noah doesn't rank that highly in some defensive metrics too. I can't find the link anymore, but he was almost near 200th in opponents PER. Boozer was ranked a bit higher in that metric.

I think fans and the broadcasters like to point out Boozer's defense, but Noah has some issues in that area too. My guess is that he excessively fouls, to the point of hurting his team. And that's where some of these metrics notice.

Boozer was also a better defender than Millsap. Sure Millsap may get some blocks and steals, but the Jazz defense would be worse with him in the game. There were a few metrics with that too, such as I think 82games.com 5-man unit lineups.

I am not saying that Boozer is even an average defending PF, but that some metrics give him some credit, and that is rebounding is a big part of his defense. The Bulls also went from 11th to 1st in DRTG, so it's not like he's so bad that they went from 11th to 17th.

Boozer also ranks well in FG%.

7th among active FG% leaders:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/fg_pct_active.html

(Shaq is still counted as active).

Sure he has some flaws, as do Zach Randolph or any of these 2nd tier guys, that's why they are 2nd tier. But they're still significantly better than the average level PF, which is why most of them are worth it IMO.

Also, there seems to be a lot of 2nd tier PFs right now.

Aldridge, Zach Randolph, David West, Al Jefferson, Carlos Boozer, Josh Smith (SF-PF), Luis Scola. Maybe Humphries if he can do it again.

[nuraman00]

A few articles on salary and competitive balance:

http://wagesofwins.com/2011/08/10/nba-owners-do-not-understand-competitive-balance/

http://www.hardwoodparoxysm.com/2011/11/pulling-back-the-competitve-balance-curtain/

IMO, salary isn't everything, there's more that goes into it like what the GM has done, etc. It was only a few years ago that teams like the Pistons, Spurs, Nets were also making it to the NBA Finals and winning championships. Miami themselves aren't a large market either. They recruited well, like Orlando had once done with Grant Hill and Tracy McGrady, or what Utah had done with Boozer and Okur (which set up a good frontcourt for about 4 years).

These GMs have to stop giving out 4 year deals to James Posey, 5 year deals to Udrih/Travis Outlaw / Marcus Banks; or 6 year deals to Kyle Korver. Those moves can't even be considered mistakes, since most people initially frowned upon such moves in the first place. Sometimes these G.M.s and owners just give longterm deals to make it look like they're doing something IMO. That's where they get in trouble. There's a lot of these contracts. Most of the teams that aren't getting deeper in the playoffs have these kind of contracts.

Most of the players I've mentioned are the type to just had a handful of good games, or one good year at most.

The longterm contracts that should be given out, are to players with a few good years of track history, or in the rare case an undrafted or 2nd round pick player is a star.

When you look at the contracts of most of these teams that have been winning, they don't have these type of bad deals. Dallas being an exception. They wouldn't be able to resign someone like Brendan Haywood like they did a year ago.

As for Atlanta with their 2nd Joe Johnson contract, they kind of had to. They would have had one of the lowest payrolls in the league if they didn't resign him. Even with Joe Johnson, their payroll is only $64 million, and they don't have any young players that are due for raises either. So while one player may have a huge contract, their overall payroll still isn't that high so they have to focus on just filling in the other spots. If Teague becomes something, then that will be the first well-drafted guard by them in a while. And as long as they still have a hole at backup C and starting PG, there are other things to worry about than Johnson's contract.

[nuraman00]

Ok, in an attempt to play this game:

Jamaal Crawford - Phoenix (or Portland)
Glen Davis - Denver
Troy Murphy - Orlando
Joel Przybilla - Portland (minimum contract)
Brian Scalabrine (retire)
Kurt Thomas (retire)
Jose Barea - New York
Caron Butler - Chicago (or Dallas)
Brian Cardinal (retire)
Tyson Chandler - Dallas
DeShawn Stevenson - Denver
Peja Stojakovic - Dallas
Nene - Sacramento (or New Orleans) (or Houston)
Tayshaun Prince - L.A. Clippers
DeAndre Jordan - L.A. Clippers
Marc Gasol - Memphis
Mike Bibby - Miami
Juwan Howard - retire
Jamaal Magloire - retire
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute - Houston
Michael Redd - Chicago
Kris Humphries - Houston
Carl Landry - New Orleans
David West - New Jersey
Jason Richardson - New Orleans
Spencer Hawes - New Orleans
Greg Oden - Portland
Marcus Thornton - Sacramento
Samuel Dalembert - Miami
Andrei Kirilenko - Denver
Nick Young - Denver

[nuraman00]

I think I messed up New Orleans roster. Oh well, it's hard to say what they'd do without David West, so I gave it a shot.

[nuraman00]

Ok, in an attempt to play this game:

Jamaal Crawford - Phoenix (or Portland)
Glen Davis - Denver
Troy Murphy - Orlando
Joel Przybilla - Portland (minimum contract)
Brian Scalabrine (retire)
Kurt Thomas (retire)
Jose Barea - New York
Caron Butler - Chicago (or Dallas)
Brian Cardinal (retire)
Tyson Chandler - Dallas
DeShawn Stevenson - Denver
Peja Stojakovic - Dallas
Nene - Sacramento (or New Orleans) (or Houston)
Tayshaun Prince - L.A. Clippers
DeAndre Jordan - L.A. Clippers
Marc Gasol - Memphis
Mike Bibby - Miami
Juwan Howard - retire
Jamaal Magloire - retire
Luc Richard Mbah a Moute - Houston
Michael Redd - Chicago
Kris Humphries - Houston
Carl Landry - New Orleans
David West - New Jersey
Jason Richardson - New Orleans
Spencer Hawes - New Orleans
Greg Oden - Portland
Marcus Thornton - Sacramento
Samuel Dalembert - Miami
Andrei Kirilenko - Denver
Nick Young - Denver

Last chance to get your predictions in before free agency starts. Doesn't any one else want to take a stab at it? (We even have some verbal agreements now, lol.)

[nuraman00]

DCKingsFan (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?94-DCKingsFan), you didn't want to play in the game this year?

[IowaSacKing93]

I'd like to participate nuraman00, but: I just don't have any clue where the majority of these guys are going, and the ones that I have a hint on, there's 3 or 4 teams in the mix, so it'd be very tough to do (it'd be like almost guessing).

[IowaSacKing93]

And I'm also not one who follows FA too carefully (last year I did for obvious reasons) but I just like to see everything settle and then read up on who went where, instead of following it day-by-day.

[nuraman00]

I'd like to participate nuraman00, but: I just don't have any clue where the majority of these guys are going, and the ones that I have a hint on, there's 3 or 4 teams in the mix, so it'd be very tough to do (it'd be like almost guessing).

Just guess anyways. Then you don't have to follow FA for a while. When the dust settles, I'll add up the results and we'll see what happens.

We can't have a predictions game with only one contestant!

Also only make predictions for the players you care about.

Also, you can use some intuition. Like Brad Miller going to Houston last year made sense after the fact, because he liked playing for Adelman. Or Dalembert potentially signing with Miami (not going to happen this year) makes sense because of the Haitian population.

I know you didn't like guessing in one of the MLB predictions rounds, but this is just for fun. It's just a predictions game on a message board. Maybe the prize will be me posting a video of DCKingsFan (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?94-DCKingsFan) getting stuck in a muddy pig pen.

That's right, I said "muddy pig pen", not "muddy play pen".

[GoKings2010]

Well im not gonna guess every FA on the list but ill have a couple guesses. Chandler is gonna sign to Clippers and Howard will go to the Nets. Cp3 will get traded to Boston. Rondo n Big Baby will be headed to the Hornets. Okay thats as much guessing that im gonna do cause honestly this FA yr is pissing me off. Every yr we get high hopes from our gm and owners. They keep getting sorry players and have been saving money for yrs just to make a splash in FA. We were suppose to be saving that cash for the Lebron yr remember? We werent even mentioned on no big names. Now with even more money saved than last yr and having to spend some just to get to minium we have to sign someone. With some big names out there we have only been mentioned to Barea for w/e reason and Chuck Hayes. The Kings will always be my team and even have a tattoo of them but this franchise is starting to be bullshit. I actually feel bad for the fans of city too. Here we our LAST yr in Sac unless an arena deal gets finalized and they cant even keep our core team together or even add a nice FA like they said theyd do 3 yrs ago. Anyone also see when the team actually starts showing some chemistry, the team then gets seperated? Theres no reason to let Dal walk IMO We were looking good late last season with the ADDITION of THORTON and I think we were above .500 after adding him and starting Dal with Cousins. Anyhow this frustrates me. Looks like another bum will get paid from the Kings. Welcome aboRD Mr. Hayes =/

[GoKings2010]

Gonna add to my comment and say its good that we finally did sign someone worth the money. Thank God the Kings arent clueless and signed Thorton to a good deal. I think it was about 5 yrs 40 mil? 8 mil for Thorton?? Ill take that all day. I think we saw his potential and gld to see the Kings get talent when other teams were interested. Now if we can get a stronger player or a star player i should say. I think we have good pieces in line and need some vets very bad. Hayes def doesnt bring that and its gonna be itneresting wat they do with the extra money they have to spend. This team only has 1 vet and that Garcia who cheers on the bench every yr. They should get Prince for some SF veteran leadership and also fills a hole for us. Wish we had a stronger all around game at PG but anyhow good signing by the Kings with Thorton. I hope Dal is next in line cause Hayes will ride the bench behind Hickson and Thompson. I also thought we were high on Whiteside and apparently balled it up on the charity game. ANyhow lets go Kings!!

[nuraman00]

Thanks for playing, GoKings2010 (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?22-GoKings2010). And I agree with you about Thornton.

[Eze]

Prince already signed for some absurd amount with the Pistons. Yeah, I don't get it either. lol