Yahoo Reporting Kings In Lead To Sign....

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...wait for it....wait for it........Chuck Hayes.


The Sacramento Kings have emerged as a frontrunner to sign Rockets free-agent forward Chuck Hayes, league sources said. Sacramento had wanted to sign Hayes to a lucrative one-year deal to keep cap space for the summer of 2012, but could come back with the kind of multiyear offer now needed to acquire him. For Hayes, a native of nearby Modesto in Northern California, it would be a unique chance to return home.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_nba_free_agent_buzz_120311

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big splash!!!

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MODESTO'S FINEST

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One things for sure...Kings will have a pretty good bench this year
and the defense is looking good

just bring back Sam and Thornton and call it good for this fucked up season

[GoKings2010]

It will be very dissapointing to start the season signing Hayes over Thorton or Sammy.

[BosnianBaller_]

hahaha, its so sad to what our franchise has come to when we're celebrating the possibility of signing chuch hayes

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I missed the celebration

[nuraman00]

Chuck Hayes.





He's a step up from Barea. What is the highest number of steps management will take to get the best players available?

[Eze]

Considering the mention of the initial "one year deal" scenario, this makes me believe the Maloofs have levied something onto Petrie (again).

The 2012 FA class is just as bad as the current, if not worse once you get past the guys like Paul, Howard and Williams - none of which are coming here. Petrie is trying to find steals (which is fine) but not when you have 20+ million dollars in cap room.

I wonder, if like a lot of baseball franchises, they're going to meet the minimum payroll and simply try to tread water until they know they're a) getting the new arena b) moving or c) no longer owners.

Granted, this could be far from the case but I can't ever recall a team with 20+ million to spend (17 of it required) and you're trying to woo Chuck Hayes and JJ Barea.

[nuraman00]

Considering the mention of the initial "one year deal" scenario, this makes me believe the Maloofs have levied something onto Petrie (again).

The 2012 FA class is just as bad as the current, if not worse once you get past the guys like Paul, Howard and Williams - none of which are coming here. Petrie is trying to find steals (which is fine) but not when you have 20+ million dollars in cap room.

I wonder, if like a lot of baseball franchises, they're going to meet the minimum payroll and simply try to tread water until they know they're a) getting the new arena b) moving or c) no longer owners.

Granted, this could be far from the case but I can't ever recall a team with 20+ million to spend (17 of it required) and you're trying to woo Chuck Hayes and JJ Barea.

We will see what the additions are by Dec. 25th. That will say something about the Kings abilities in free agency. The Kings have to try to get David West, Nene, Kris Humphries, DeAndre Jordan, Jamaal Crawford just to fill up salary, I would think. They have to at least try for those kinds of contracts.

[Eze]

Wasn't there some rule I thought I saw that said the Kings could essentially give the "available" money (as in, not reaching the minimum salary) by giving it to the players on the current roster? Some loophole or something? Essentially just giving "bonuses" to the current roster. They'd still be required to give the money, just not to players who'd sign a contract. I'm almost sure I saw that some place.

[nuraman00]

Wasn't there some rule I thought I saw that said the Kings could essentially give the "available" money (as in, not reaching the minimum salary) by giving it to the players on the current roster? Some loophole or something? Essentially just giving "bonuses" to the current roster. They'd still be required to give the money, just not to players who'd sign a contract. I'm almost sure I saw that some place.

Yes.

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https://webfiles.uci.edu/lcoon/cbafaq/salarycap.htm#Q10

At the other end of the spectrum there is a minimum team salary, which is defined as 75% of the salary cap. Any team that doesn't spend at least that much is surcharged at the end of the season, and that money is given to the players.

[nuraman00]

Well, I'm sure they'll come close to the minimum salary somehow by the time the season starts.

[Eze]

I'm guessing they will too - but, just seems really odd they're trying to sign Hayes for one year. And thanks for the link - I knew I wasn't dreaming lol

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Yes.

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https://webfiles.uci.edu/lcoon/cbafaq/salarycap.htm#Q10

At the other end of the spectrum there is a minimum team salary, which is defined as 75% of the salary cap. Any team that doesn't spend at least that much is surcharged at the end of the season, and that money is given to the players.

that will be changed under the new CBA to 85% to reach minimum salary

[nuraman00]

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http://espn.go.com/nba/truehoop/miamiheat/story/_/id/7314740/portland-trail-blazers-greg-oden-drawing-interest-miami-heat-sources-say

The Kings need to spend $17 million to reach the new salary floor and overall are about $25 million under the salary cap. They have been telling agents that they intend to be aggressive in spending.

[TyrekeToTheHoop]

the free agent moves we make are gonna be along the lines of chuck hayes and jj barea type of talent. we dont need to go after anybody like david west just because we have the space, it makes no sense right now. i guarantee petrie will make a trade to acquire the talent he wants. he's not gonna force his hand in free agency.

[nuraman00]

the free agent moves we make are gonna be along the lines of chuck hayes and jj barea type of talent. we dont need to go after anybody like david west just because we have the space, it makes no sense right now. i guarantee petrie will make a trade to acquire the talent he wants. he's not gonna force his hand in free agency.

I think if those guys are interested, then you have to try for it. Especially if it's only 4 years and not 5. Then if that doesn't work, trade for someone good this season. There's still at least two more good pieces away from a future core of Evans, Fredette, Cousins. And that's if Fredette can become a heavy minutes starting caliber player.

[Eze]

I'd like to believe we'll bring somebody in via trade, but, I just don't see a lot out there that seems realistically obtainable - at least right now. Can always change though.

Kings are exciting but they're still some big pieces away to go with Reke and DMC, like Nuraman said. Sucks the lockout had to happen now - really ate away at some good time for the guys to grow together.

[nuraman00]

Also, I keep thinking of potential salary dumps, like when Billups was dumped to Denver, or Marcus Camby to the Clippers, or Al Jefferson to the Jazz. But I can't think of any such scenarios right now.

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after all the talk and hand wringing.... IMO the amnesty thing will mostly just sit in the corner

[nuraman00]

after all the talk and hand wringing.... IMO the amnesty thing will mostly just sit in the corner

I think:

* Cavs use it on Baron Davis
* Clippers might use it on Ryan Gomes (they do kind of need him at SF; they can't go to a 3 guard lineup with Foye all the time).
* Lakers use it on Luke Walton
* Heat might use it on Mike Miller
* Nets use it on Travis Outlaw
* Magic use it on Gilbert Arenas (Agent Zero)
* Philadelphia uses it on Nocioni or Brand (they do need Brand in the frontcourt for now though)
* Trail Blazers may use it on Brandon Roy
* Jazz use it on Mehmet Okur or Raja Bell

So that's 9 teams. Some other teams may also use it another season, if one of their existing contracts becomes a bad contract due to injuries or performance degradation.

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Probably Baron and Outlaw
the rest I'm thinking not

[nuraman00]

Probably Baron and Outlaw
the rest I'm thinking not

Why not the Magic? Or the Jazz? Jazz have no use for Okur, with Jefferson, Millsap, Favors, and Kanter. They also have a logjam at SG with Burks, Miles. I guess they could keep Bell in case Burks isn't ready, but from all accounts, he should be ready to step in and give some minutes.

All things considered though, some teams may just want to see what their team looks like a year from now and then use it on one of the existing contracts.

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It's not like they still don't have to pay them...
so if you dump Arenas it really doesn't help the cap space issues....and then they have another spot to fill

IMO the amnesty clause is intriguing, but GM's and Owners will be thinking hard on how is best to use it

[nuraman00]

It's not like they still don't have to pay them...
so if you dump Arenas it really doesn't help the cap space issues....and then they have another spot to fill

IMO the amnesty clause is intriguing, but GM's and Owners will be thinking hard on how is best to use it

Waiving Arenas gives them the full MLE, instead of the tax-payer MLE.

If they have someone in mind that they could get with the full MLE instead of the taxpayer MLE (that would give them more production than Arenas), then they'd use it. If they don't think they can get that type of FA to help Dwight out, then they probably won't use the amnesty on Arenas.




IMO the amnesty clause is intriguing, but GM's and Owners will be thinking hard on how is best to use it

That's probably a good thing, haha.

[IowaSacKing93]

the big salad

[GoKings2010]

Well its very dissapointing to hear all these teams interested in otehr players but have yet to hear the KINGS brought up in anything. I know thats how Petrie plays so i guess that can be a good thing as well. But every website I go to there are teams interested in players and even visiting the weak teams like the Warriors,Nets, and the Kings have yet to be mentioned. We better get someone other than just a filler to do so. If u see a franchise type player in FA then u have to try and get him. i think biggest name out there this yr is Gasol. Yes Memphis can match or w/e but make the attempt and put ur name out there. Show that guy u want him on our team and ull pay more than his current teAM will offer. Ill be pissed if we keep getting Houstons trash!!!

[TyrekeToTheHoop]

Baron Davis off of amnesty makes perfect sense. Meet the minimum this year, get a true point guard that we need, and off the books next year.

[Eze]

I think we may need a second or third ball (not to mention an 8 footer to grab all the clanks) between he, Cousins, Evans, Salmons and Thornton. lol

[ctba]

Sacramento has offered four-year deal at midlevel exception ($20 million) to Chuck Hayes

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Jesus Christ, Geoff.

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For what it's worth, Hickson was in town and didn't practice with the guys today - trade brewing?

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Nevermind, JJ practiced apparently after media was closed off.

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Also, reasonable to assume Dalembert is gone.

[ctba]

Also, reasonable to assume Dalembert is gone.

Yah. That isn't surprising

[prostacker]

I was hoping that they were going to go after Nene,Chandler, or Gasol to at least let me know they were trying to win. I hope Hickson is a good fit next to cousins

[Eze]

On the plus side, Chuck's the most physical defender of all four. And probably the best passer. On the negative, he's no place near the shot altering player Dalembert is or the offensive talent Gasol.

They had to pay him $5 million to sign him - it's overpaying (3/12 is more my speed) but it is what it is. He'll do well. But it reeks of cheap Maloofs.

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Perhaps we are about to witness the emergence of Hassan Abdul Whiteside Chamberlin.......jr

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I loved how he (Whiteside) said he scored 40 points with himself on NBA 2k12 and a ton of people went "no you didn't, that's impossible" hahaha

[BosnianBaller_]

On the plus side, Chuck's the most physical defender of all four. And probably the best passer. On the negative, he's no place near the shot altering player Dalembert is or the offensive talent Gasol.

They had to pay him $5 million to sign him - it's overpaying (3/12 is more my speed) but it is what it is. He'll do well. But it reeks of cheap Maloofs.

jesus, 5 million a season for a guy who has averaged 4 points per game in his career. someone please take the kings away from the maloofs.

[bloatedmaniac]

Not surprising, but still sad. The Maloofs are unwilling to open their wallets to sign an impact player or even bring back Dalembert. i wouldn't even be shocked if they let Thornton go "if" his price tag goes up too high. Right now they are just shooting for managable contracts to fill out the roster to meet the minimum cap. Its scary to think about the team adding more overpaid mediocre players like they did in the past just to get by (Mikki Moore, Shareef, Salmons ugh).

I think Hayes is a good pickup on paper, IF either Hickson or JT become bonafide starters. Hayes defends well and is a good aggressive rebounder but having 3-4 bench caliber players without a true starter really hurts. That was the issue for several seasons as the team suffered through Moore/Rahim/Hawes/JT all failing to solidify the position.

[GoKings2010]

Wow we seriously talking about signing Chuck Hayes to a 20mil COntract. Thats horrible when we havent even heard anything about Dal. Your 1st thoughts woulda been to keep this team in tact. I agree with Bloatd it comes down to the cheap ass Maloofs. Im getting really tired of the Maloofs and how they are treating the fans of Sacramento. They can try to sign this team back together but would rather save money and lose chemistry..They wanted to move us guys then with all the big FA`s out there we get rewarded with Chuck Hayes.

[SactoIV]

Dalembert is going to get (over)paid along the lines of 4/$40mil. No thanks.

[nuraman00]

Dalembert is going to get (over)paid along the lines of 4/$40mil. No thanks.

Regardless of salary, I'd only do 3 years max.

[Eze]

I'm fine with Hayes over Dalembert, honestly. And I understand they had to pay Hayes what they did, even though I think it's a bit of a required overkill.

[ctba]

I'm fine with Hayes over Dalembert, honestly. And I understand they had to pay Hayes what they did, even though I think it's a bit of a required overkill.

Yah delembert is going to get hurt sometime during the season and probably will be out for a while. It is kind of funny because I was thinking about this today. How many players have the kings had that people were pissed the kings didn't re-sign them and then the next year their careers are basically over. I can think of these: Divac, Wells, Jackson, Mobley

[Eze]

Hayes' agent is saying that the King and T'Wolves are now on "equal ground" for Chucks services. We can't even scoop an overpaid FA from the T'Wolves without issues lolol

[ctba]

Hayes' agent is saying that the King and T'Wolves are now on "equal ground" for Chucks services. We can't even scoop an overpaid FA from the T'Wolves without issues lolol

I Kahn't believe this......:facepalm:

[Einz]

I would love Hayes on here. He's a vet and an amazing man-to-man defender.

[EvansCousinsDUO]

Hayes' agent is saying that the King and T'Wolves are now on "equal ground" for Chucks services. We can't even scoop an overpaid FA from the T'Wolves without issues lolol


I Kahn't believe this......:facepalm:

Lmfao that's hilarious. The Twolves are making this hard for us.

[bloatedmaniac]

Yah delembert is going to get hurt sometime during the season and probably will be out for a while. It is kind of funny because I was thinking about this today. How many players have the kings had that people were pissed the kings didn't re-sign them and then the next year their careers are basically over. I can think of these: Divac, Wells, Jackson, Mobley

Its because some Kings' fans are too in love with ex-players and think the world ends when they leave. Divac was done, Wells was only really good in the playoffs that year, BJ was a bench player desperate to be a starter, and Mobley was best friends with steve francis...enough said there. None were worth keeping.

Dalembert is a little different because he fits the mold of what this team needs and had good chemistry while here. Plus he is still young enough that you know what you'll be getting over the next few seasons. Now as Nura and others including you stated...he still isn't a guy that you overpay long term as you might a Gasol, but at least you know he can start. The team could offer him a 3yr/$30M and if walks from that for a longer term deal than so be it at least you tried. Signing a bench player as a potential replacement only builds an unncessary glut. Now this team has JT, Hickson, Hayes, Whiteside, and Jackson (if they give him an offer) none of which you know can actually start. When you are a terrible team with holes, dependability is very important if u hope to move foward. There is life after Dalembert definately, but not if this team settles for mediocre bench players to save the Maloofs money each season.

BTW...I do like Hayes and what he can do in his role. I just want this team to find a bonafide starter or at least upgrades from what they have already.

[nuraman00]

BTW...I do like Hayes and what he can do in his role. I just want this team to find a bonafide starter or at least upgrades from what they have already.

I agree.

[nuraman00]

How many players have the kings had that people were pissed the kings didn't re-sign them and then the next year their careers are basically over. I can think of these: Divac, Wells, Jackson, Mobley


Wells was only really good in the playoffs that year


Divac: I was fine with him leaving.

(Bobby) Jackson: I was fine with him being traded.

(Jim) Jackson: I was disappointed, but not pissed. He was still a bench player, and I trusted in the organization to make whatever moves necessary to fill those voids. I liked Songaila and Peeler, so they made the right moves.

Mobley: I was fine with him leaving as a $42 Million FA to the Clippers.

Wells:

I disagree that Wells was only good in the playoffs. He was good in the regular season, and he did it from the beginning of the season to the end. He had an 18 rebound game at Houston in game # 2. He averaged 13 points, 7.7 rebounds, 2.8 assists, 1.8 steals. The rebounds and steals added much-needed toughness. Getting that kind of production in the regular season was great. His PER was 16.6. His Wins Produced was 8.5, 2nd on the team to Brad Miller's 9.8.

Also, I liked having he and Artest both be guys that would provide toughness, defense, and steals. It was a good fit, because Kevin Martin did none of those. So it was a great 3-man swingman rotation IMO, very complete.

During the 2006 offseason, allegedly his agent didn't tell him about the Kings offer, because his agent thought he could get a better one from the Kings before telling Wells about the offer. After two weeks, the Kings pulled the offer off the table, and then signed Salmons. Wells then fired his agent, for not telling him about the offer. A radio host even asked Petrie if Petrie himself ever thought about directly communicating with Wells, once he saw that Wells' agent wasn't accepting the offer. Petrie said no, because perhaps Wells thought he was worth more, and Petrie said that would have been insulting the player if Petrie said "hey Bonzi, here's this great offer we're making you" but Bonzi didn't think it was a fair enough offer. Petrie said that's why he was communicating with the agent, and Petrie had to assume that the offer wasn't being accepted because the player thought he could get more (or for whatever other reason).

This might be a stretch, but I think had Bonzi accepted the offer, and then had a full training camp to continue working with the same team (Kings), he would have performed better than he did for Houston in 2006-2007. He also would have been in shape, instead of not working out and then scrambling during training camp trying to find a roster. The offer was made in July, so Bonzi could have started working out early in the summer. That's the way I see it.

But ultimately, I wasn't disappointed at Petrie not signing Bonzi. I saw what happened with the negotiations, and it was just a botched negotiation by the agent. And Wells never knew about the offer. These things happen, not the Kings fault. I was more disappointed with the signing of Salmons. Because I knew that 8th place team needed every ounce of toughness and rebounding it got last year, and Salmons just couldn't give what the Kings would have needed to make the playoffs again.

So when they missed the playoffs in 2006-2007, I expected it. I think they won 2 more games than I predicted. They played as hard as they could, but there were just a variety of reasons why they couldn't make the playoffs. They had barely made it the year before, and they couldn't take 4 players having worse years (Bibby, Miller, Abdur-Rahim, Thomas). Kevin Martin showed the only improvement, but that couldn't offset all of the other factors. Plus Kevin Martin peaked in the 1st week of March in 2007, when he had a 30-6-6 game at Portland and won Player Of The Week. He played terrible the rest of the season.

The Kings as a whole finished the season 5-17. I never understood the complaints that the Kings should have lost more. 5-17 was the worst stretch in the league over the last 22 games. How can a team do worse in the lottery standings than having the worst final 22 game stretch in the league? They lost even more with respect to the other 29 teams than anyone thought possible, but yet some people wished they would have lost even more. <Shook My Head>.

So it wasn't about not resigning Wells, but also about not being able to replace the attributes that Wells had brought. Normally when they didn't or couldn't resign a player, they still were able to replace him with other players who did the same thing. This was the first time in a while they hadn't done that.

[bloatedmaniac]

I thought Bonzi was good for the Kings as well, but a replacement level asset as they had Kmart and Artest already. He didn't put up numbers on a consistant basis that made him a must keep player. Thats why I stated only "really" good in the playoffs as thats where he really made his mark and drove up his price.

Bonzi was always a headcase during his career so I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he played half assed for the Kings if he signed here long term since his future would of been financially secure. That had me really concerned, and glad he didn't take the deal whether it was him or his agent that overplayed their cards. (I wouldn't put it past bonzi to think he was worth more too). If that case happened...the Kings would be stuck with Wells and KT's contracts...ouch.

Now the big question is who the Kings sign now. Will they resign Thornton or let him go? Will they find more medicore replacement level players to overpay? Will the Maloofs star in another Carl's Jr. commercial (The $6 dollar burger...so cheap even the Maloofs can afford it!)?

[nuraman00]

I thought Bonzi was good for the Kings as well, but a replacement level asset as they had Kmart and Artest already. He didn't put up numbers on a consistant basis that made him a must keep player. Thats why I stated only "really" good in the playoffs as thats where he really made his mark and drove up his price.

Bonzi was always a headcase during his career so I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if he played half assed for the Kings if he signed here long term since his future would of been financially secure. That had me really concerned, and glad he didn't take the deal whether it was him or his agent that overplayed their cards. (I wouldn't put it past bonzi to think he was worth more too). If that case happened...the Kings would be stuck with Wells and KT's contracts...ouch.

Now the big question is who the Kings sign now. Will they resign Thornton or let him go? Will they find more medicore replacement level players to overpay? Will the Maloofs star in another Carl's Jr. commercial (The $6 dollar burger...so cheap even the Maloofs can afford it!)?

Agree, we will see.

Bonzi may have been a headcase earlier in his career, but he also never played in a situation where he got such much support either. In Portland, the fans kept booing the team because of the off the court stuff. In Memphis, he clashed with Mike Fratello.

In Sacramento, he not only had fan support (mildly), but he also had a coach support. Plus there was this light-hearted moment which I wish I'd seen. I didn't watch this game, but apparently the Kings had played a near-perfect game. Their only blemish was when Stojakovic called for the ball. Wells thought Stojakovic meant lob pass, so Wells threw a lob. That ended up in a disaster, lol. Stojakovic laughed, and said he had meant "bounce pass".

Even the radio hosts liked Wells. One of them was doing a radio spot for one of those hangover prevention products. It's where you drink something before you have alcohol that night. I can't remember the product name. But in the middle of the spot, the radio host said "Bonzi Wells take this stuff. <Laughter>. No, just kidding."

Also, Salmons combined with KT and Udrih's bad contracts wasn't that much better than what Wells and KT alone would have been. What I'm saying is that there ended up being a mess anyways, lol. (I was fine with Salmons salary, just not his years). Perhaps Wells + KT would have meant less for Udrih subsequently, or something.

Back to the offseason, Petrie isn't blame-free either. Had he signed Barea or Nick Young, I would have drunk dialed Petrie for those moves.

The way I see it, is that Petrie is the G.M. of Sacramento because he wants to be. Nobody is holding a gun to his head. He could quit and 24 other teams would hire him, if he wanted to work with a different budget. So as long as he's here, he's part of the management team that combines the ownership, scouting, and G.M. And Petrie bears a responsibility on that, it's not just the owners.

We'll see what the final payroll is, and use that when evaluating what they did with respect to what they actually had to work with. How tight is the payroll? Can Petrie stay away from Nick Young and Barea?

[bloatedmaniac]

I agree with you there completely. The Maloofs have given the organization problems but Petrie in the past half decade has made some seriously questionable signings/trades. I've liked his draft choices even those that didn't work out (Hawes), because he does go for the best player despite potential controversy such as Cousins or Tyreke. Unfortunately he goes out and trades for Salmons or signs Antonie Wright, Shareef, Mikki Moore and Luther Head. Those are his decisions and they are usually bad. Sadly, I'm waiting for another of those failed signings to happen this offseason still.

[Eze]

I'd like to see what Petrie could do with a Lakers/Mavericks type payroll - just to satisfy my curiosity.