Landry

[Gunshot]

back with the Hornets for 9 million?

bizzaro

[ctba]

So Dalembert still isn't signed?

[Gunshot]

not yet

[Gunshot]

but Bonzi signed with Adelman...after 4 years of sitting on his ass
wow

[Eze]

What a pointless lockout. lol

[ctba]

LOLOLOL BOnzi is playing again?

[nuraman00]

What a pointless lockout. lol

It was only a 1 year deal. And remember, the minimum salary has been raised. So teams have to spend to reach the minimum salary. But since contract lengths have been shortened, then you will get less albatross deals.

Also, teams are more wary of the tax. That's possibly one reason why Odom was dumped.

So so far, it seems to be slowing what some of the top level teams are spending.

And also, it's making the bottom spending teams spend more.

Also, since Landry was only a 1 year deal, it's inconsequential. It doesn't affect their future planning at all. They probably should have tried for Kirilenko or Humphries instead, but Landry is fine.

I'm also glad someone like Thornton only got 4 years instead of 5. He's more likely to pan out in a 4 year deal, than a 5 year deal.

[KingsOwn19]

To my knowledge, Bonzi has been killin it overseas and in south america for the past few years. Kings dodged the contract year bullet, as impressive as his postseason was we're lucky Bonzi shot himself in the foot otherwise we would just be getting free of a bad contract. I did think Bonzi and Ron made a unconventional but formidable tandem. Both were two strong for opposing SG and SF...pretty impressive we almost beat the lock down Spurs on two post up wing players alone.

As for Landry..i thought he was incredibly mediocre from day 1. Was not worth Kevin Martin..hopefully Thornton can make up for that.

[Eze]

It was only a 1 year deal. And remember, the minimum salary has been raised. So teams have to spend to reach the minimum salary. But since contract lengths have been shortened, then you will get less albatross deals.

Also, teams are more wary of the tax. That's possibly one reason why Odom was dumped.

So so far, it seems to be slowing what some of the top level teams are spending.

And also, it's making the bottom spending teams spend more.

Also, since Landry was only a 1 year deal, it's inconsequential. It doesn't affect their future planning at all. They probably should have tried for Kirilenko or Humphries instead, but Landry is fine.

I'm also glad someone like Thornton only got 4 years instead of 5. He's more likely to pan out in a 4 year deal, than a 5 year deal.

I was talking more to the fact that guys like Caron Butler got 8 million per year, etc.

And Kupcheck said Odom asked to be traded. Why he picked Dallas of all teams, well, I can't find a logical reasoning for that lol

[nuraman00]

To my knowledge, Bonzi has been killin it overseas and in south america for the past few years. Kings dodged the contract year bullet, as impressive as his postseason was we're lucky Bonzi shot himself in the foot otherwise we would just be getting free of a bad contract. I did think Bonzi and Ron made a unconventional but formidable tandem. Both were two strong for opposing SG and SF...pretty impressive we almost beat the lock down Spurs on two post up wing players alone.

As for Landry..i thought he was incredibly mediocre from day 1. Was not worth Kevin Martin..hopefully Thornton can make up for that.

The worst part of the trade was that it helped the Knickerbockers rebuild. Kings weren't competing with the Rockets, they were going in different directions. One was rebuilding, one was staying competitive as a playoffs team. The Kings were competing with the Knickerbockers to rebuild, and the Kings let them keep enough assets and clear enough cap space to trade for Anthony and sign Stoudemire. Kings should have gotten some assets from New York, so they could help the Kings rebuild, and limit what the Knickerbockers had to trade for Deron Williams or Carmelo Anthony.

Also, Martin is an average shooting guard. He does one thing well (shoot and get to the foul line) while lacking in rebounding, ball handling, and defense.

Martin is the kind of piece the Kings should be adding now, after having better players in Evans and Cousins. If he were a FA, I'd approve of getting him.

He's not the kind of piece that you have as your best player, with payroll around the salary cap (from a few years ago). If the Kings had Martin's salary right now instead of Thornton's, the best they'd be able to do is another Chuck Hayes type signing (with a slightly higher salary), and they would be stuck.

The Kings could have managed Martin's salary had they maintained Udrih and Salmons'/Nocioni salary more, but because everyone was getting paid a bit much, they had to clear out some longterm salary.

The move wasn't made for talent reasons, but for longterm financial reasons.

Like I mentioned, now would be a better time to add Martin's salary, since they cleared off some salary in the few years. Two years ago, they had a $68,967,749 salary.

[nuraman00]

I was talking more to the fact that guys like Caron Butler got 8 million per year, etc.

And Kupcheck said Odom asked to be traded. Why he picked Dallas of all teams, well, I can't find a logical reasoning for that lol

Odom: My guess is Dallas will play Nowitzki at C and Odom at PF.

Butler: If he can play like he did in 2008-2009, he's worth it. In 2009-2010, he was just on a bad Washington team. In 2010-2011, Dallas wasn't the best fit because they also had Kidd, Terry, Nowitzki. Butler had been able to play with both Arenas and Jamison, so he can play with others.

Still, he's a moderate gamble for the Clippers. Because if he doesn't play like 2008-2009, then he's not worth it.

But also, if you're the Clippers, you have to get some vets for Griffin. It's not so much if Butler is worth it, but about changing the perception. The Clippers missed out on Prince (4 years in Detroit) and Battier (Miami).

So what other SF could they get? Richard Jefferson, who ended up not being amnestied? Trade for Iguodala? That would have happened by now if the teams really wanted it to. That had been rumored for a few years.

AK?

Josh Howard?

They were running out of SF options. Butler was the best available, and better than Josh Howard and about the same as AK (but AK didn't express any interest, or they didn't pursue him).

So they had to pay someone to come. Also, they had the worst SF last year with Ryan Gomes and Rasual Butler. So again, they had to show Griffin they could improve.

It's not the best reason, but sometimes teams have to do that if they have a superstar.

The Kings don't have any superstars, so they're not under that pressure.

Griffin is also only 1 year removed from being eligible for an extension, so they couldn't wait until next year to try and appease him, they had to do something now to show they are serious.

Eventually, after they got Billups and Paul, SF is not as much of a concern anymore. It's more about having a backup big, and a SG that is tall enough to defend. The spotlight will be off of Butler now. But they had to get someone.

The Nets are in a similar situation with Deron. They have a superstar, and will probably make an expensive signing to show they're serious.

The Kings aren't under that pressure. Evans isn't that kind of a superstar that teams will be fawning over. And Cousins is still a few years away from contract negotiations.

If the Clippers came back with Ryan Gomes again, the perception of them wouldn't have changed.

I actually think Gomes is a decent player, he's just a bad fit for that team. He's better used as a backup PF, not a starting SF.