Westfail Again

[kingraider412]

Here we go again! Crazy lineup changes and this continues to be a problem. This is a recipe for failure and losing games. Your stars, tyreke and Marcus 30 and 32 min? I know they were tired, but c'mon. Westfail, once again trying to make everyone happy. After winning yesterday and getting blown out today? It's ridiculous!

[KingsOwn19]

The only lineup i had a problem with was Jimmer on Batum. That went on for too long and i think he let some Blazers runs go on too long without calling a timeout. Other than that Reke and Thornton played themselves out of the game.

[nuraman00]

The only lineup i had a problem with was Jimmer on Batum. That went on for too long and i think he let some Blazers runs go on too long without calling a timeout. Other than that Reke and Thornton played themselves out of the game.

I think the offense was so bad though that he had to leave Fredette in to try and get something going.

[Gunshot]

really should have brought in Garcia and tried nothing but defense
Thomas on everyone was rediculous

[nuraman00]

really should have brought in Garcia and tried nothing but defense
Thomas on everyone was rediculous

Yeah, when the offense is that bad, why not get Garcia in and see what happens?

[kingraider412]

cmon, how many shots did reke put up? Sometimes, he is just so passive and in turn becomes ineffective. At least thornton kept shooting. Our backcourt has to work on more ball movement. This goes back to the same problem again, we dont have a true point guard. Westphal also played reke at the 3 tonite, and he was getting manhandled.

[KingsOwn19]

I never expected to see Garcia in Reggie's house...but i guess they don't think he fits.

[nuraman00]

I never expected to see Garcia in Reggie's house...but i guess they don't think he fits.

When he plays Garcia, he'll probably not play Outlaw at all. Sort of like what he did with Casspi and Garcia last year. Either one would play, or the other.

[$KingsElite$]

Why isn't Donte playing?

[BosnianBaller_]

Here we go again! Crazy lineup changes and this continues to be a problem. This is a recipe for failure and losing games. Your stars, tyreke and Marcus 30 and 32 min? I know they were tired, but c'mon. Westfail, once again trying to make everyone happy. After winning yesterday and getting blown out today? It's ridiculous!

did you watch the game last nite?? most of our starting lineup was in foul trouble by halftime because the refs were straight up horrible. not to mention tyreke and marcus played uninspired and couldnt get their offense going. westphal is doing a fine job thus far except they need to do more free throw drills

[EvansCousinsDUO]

They also need to learn how to sustain being calm, patient and poised, especially when they don't have HCA. I think a big reason why they started sucking is because the Portland fans went insane..that building was so loud I think it might have gotten to them a bit. It kind of killed the flow of their offense and made them out of sync.

[Eze]

I really didn't get the Jimmer on Batum matchup. The Kings were destroyed. Also, I can see why the Kings weren't comfy with Jimmer. He can hit some crazy ass shots and make some positive impacts when it comes to scoring but holy shit he is completely lost on defense. I saw him at least 4 or 5 times get caught in no man's land and just look around in a panic - then continually throw his hands up in the air.

[nuraman00]

Why isn't Donte playing?

Same thing. Between Outlaw, Garcia, Salmons, Greene, he's only playing two of them right now.

If the Kings struggle, then he'll pick a different set of two.

He did this last year with Casspi, Greene, Garcia.

[nuraman00]

westphal is doing a fine job thus far except they need to do more free throw drills

Practicing FTs won't help. If it were that easy to fix, then other poor shooting FT teams over the years would have practiced them too.

Good FT shooting teams usually have a few 85% type FT players who can get to the line 4-5 times a game.

Thornton is one of them, but the next closest would be Fredette, and he doesn't get to the foul line enough times, yet.

Players like Rip Hamilton, Billups, Ray Allen, Reggie Miller all had a knack of getting at least 5 attempts a game. Once Fredette is a starter, we can see if he does that.

He also seems to be playing enough minutes this season, where we can judge his foul-drawing ability by the end of the year, to a degree.

[nuraman00]

I really didn't get the Jimmer on Batum matchup.

If the Kings wanted to keep him on the floor, what should they have done? Put him on Felton, and Evans on Matthews, and Salmons on Batum?

And if that's the best solution, why did they deviate from it so much? Who were the others guarding when Fredette was on Batum?

[Eze]

I'm not sure he should have even been on the floor, honestly. He was way too passive on offense, so combined with the bad defense - it was kind of like why? Throw a defender out there if Jimmer's not going to do what he's out there to do.

He's looked timid out there - not because he can't do the things, but it just seems like he's afraid of stepping on toes. A bit of "who the hell is this rookie taking our shots" syndrome.

If they insisted on keeping him on the floor though, yeah, I throw him on Felton. He could keep up with him, and while Felton would have out-muscled him, it wouldn't have been nearly as bad as Batum shooting over him. The problem was having he and Thomas on the floor together.

You can't play Thomas and Fredette together right now against most teams (as they did) for any extended period - one or the other. One of them is going to be in a severe mis-match continually.

[EvansCousinsDUO]

I'm not sure he should have even been on the floor, honestly. He was way too passive on offense, so combined with the bad defense - it was kind of like why? Throw a defender out there if Jimmer's not going to do what he's out there to do.

He's looked timid out there - not because he can't do the things, but it just seems like he's afraid of stepping on toes. A bit of "who the hell is this rookie taking our shots" syndrome.

If they insisted on keeping him on the floor though, yeah, I throw him on Felton. He could keep up with him, and while Felton would have out-muscled him, it wouldn't have been nearly as bad as Batum shooting over him. The problem was having he and Thomas on the floor together.

You can't play Thomas and Fredette together right now against most teams (as they did) for any extended period - one or the other. One of them is going to be in a severe mis-match continually.

I completely agree with you. Trailblazers are just a tough team and westphal should know better than to give our rookies lots of playing time and mix up our rotations. When we play against good teams especially on road games where we don't have HCA we need to have our most experienced guys out there to avoid unnecessary bad basketball.

[ctba]

Jimmer needs to grow some balls and throw up some shots.

[BosnianBaller_]

Jimmer needs to grow some balls and throw up some shots.

i think he's trying to prove people wrong by being more passive. the main complaint from alot of experts when we drafted him was that they thought he was gonna be a chucker and to prove he's more than that he's being too passive. he just needs to find a middle between chucking and passing. from what i've seen he's been pretty good handling the ball and finding the open guy so go ahead and shoot the rock

[KingsOwn19]

Same thing. Between Outlaw, Garcia, Salmons, Greene, he's only playing two of them right now.

If the Kings struggle, then he'll pick a different set of two.

He did this last year with Casspi, Greene, Garcia.

I was going to say because he is horrible.

[bloatedmaniac]

Garcia won't be playing much at all this year. has nothing to do with Westphal, the organization wants to move on from him and would rather see other options. He is just here due to minimum cap reasons. As for Donte...he sucks...end of story.

[Gunshot]

hmmm....could have dumped Garcia and spent the cap on a contributing player ....not much of an Organization

[nuraman00]

Garcia won't be playing much at all this year. has nothing to do with Westphal, the organization wants to move on from him and would rather see other options. He is just here due to minimum cap reasons. As for Donte...he sucks...end of story.

That sucks for Garcia. Agree about Greene.

[nuraman00]

hmmm....could have dumped Garcia and spent the cap on a contributing player ....not much of an Organization

They could have gotten AK or one of the other more prominent FAs that were discussed, agree.

[Eze]

Hell, they could have had AK and Dalembert in addition to Hayes.

[nuraman00]

Hell, they could have had AK and Dalembert in addition to Hayes.

It would have taken more then amnestying Garcia and not signing Outlaw, to get both of those, IMO. Would have been nice though, especially AK.

And having both Dalembert and Hayes gives you different defensive options.

[Eze]

It would have taken more then amnestying Garcia and not signing Outlaw, to get both of those, IMO. Would have been nice though, especially AK.

And having both Dalembert and Hayes gives you different defensive options.

Kings are still sitting at 9 under the cap. Cut Garcia and don't sign Outlaw and you're at 18 under. But that takes spending more than the required amount (in addition to still paying Garcia), which is apparently a no-no. lol

[Gunshot]

They are saving up to be really aggressive in free agency next year...I heard that

[nuraman00]

They are saving up to be really aggressive in free agency next year...I heard that

This was the year. :( Next year's FA class sucks. Javale McGee is probably the biggest realistic target, and he's restricted, and the Kings already have Chuck Hayes and Outlaw.

[Eze]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-11-12

Look at the '12 free agent class and tell me you can't get excited!!! :heehee:

[Gunshot]

This was the year. :( Next year's FA class sucks. Javale McGee is probably the biggest realistic target, and he's restricted, and the Kings already have Chuck Hayes and Outlaw.

I meant the year Harrison Barnes is a free agent

[Eze]

2018 baby!

[nuraman00]

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?page=FreeAgents-11-12

Look at the '12 free agent class and tell me you can't get excited!!! :heehee:

I like Ramon Sessions.

But then they should trade Evans during that same offseason.

Sessions isn't the greatest defender, but he can run the offense better.

[Eze]

I'm pretty sure Dan Gilbert doesn't even know Ramon Sessions is on his team. Just tell them they forgot to include him in the Casspi deal.

[nuraman00]

I'm pretty sure Dan Gilbert doesn't even know Ramon Sessions is on his team. Just tell them they forgot to include him in the Casspi deal.

What do you think of Sessions?

[Eze]

I've always liked him. But he's too small to pair with Fredette :(

I'd take him as a backup, but, guess it would depend on what would happen in a Reke trade.

[Gunshot]

I think he has fallen well below expectations after his last contract

[nuraman00]

I think he has fallen well below expectations after his last contract

IMO:

Signing with Minnesota was bad because they drafted Flynn.

Getting traded to Cleveland was bad because they had Mo Williams or Baron Davis.

IMO, he should have been signed to be a starting PG. He's never gotten a longterm job.

He's averaging 14 points and 7.3 assists in 85 games as a starter.

[Gunshot]

I hadn't really paid attention to him
he had a good year in 2011

[nuraman00]

I hadn't really paid attention to him
he had a good year in 2011

Here's what I want to see with Sessions. Put him on a team and make him the starting PG for a year. If the team looks good, then we know he can be a good starting PG.

If not, then he's not meant to be one. But I feel he's never gotten a real chance to show if he's a starting PG. He's always been a backup and injury-replacement.

I think he has the potential to be a decent starter, but I'd only give him a year to show it.

I think he could be as good as someone like Felton or D.J. Augustin, but without the 3-point shot.

[nuraman00]

I mean, a team gave Beno the starting job, and I didn't think he deserved one, lol. I still thought he was a backup caliber PG in 2007-2008.

[geras1810]

I completely agree with you on Ramon Sessions. Very good player. Been following the guy since his days at UNR. He can pass the ball and if given the minutes I'm sure he would do a good job.

[bloatedmaniac]

I mean, a team gave Beno the starting job, and I didn't think he deserved one, lol. I still thought he was a backup caliber PG in 2007-2008.

I agree but on the Kings, Beno was a far better option than Bibby.

As for Sessions, I like him though I do think he is better off the bench. On the Kings he'd represent a true ball moving point guard that this team seriously lacks.