New York Knickerbockers - Sacramento Kings Game Thread

[nuraman00]

New York Knickerbockers - Sacramento Kings Game Thread






When: Saturday, December 31st, 2011

Where: Power Balance Pavilion



TV: CSN CA

Radio: KHTK 1140, with G-Man and with Fat Lever

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Keys:

1.

[nuraman00]

Keys:

1. Salmons will shut down Anthony and the Sacramento Kings will win by 18+.

2. Cousins will have as many, or more, foul shot attempts than Stoudemire (if he plays).

3. Kings backcourt will be awesome. The New York Knickerbockers backcourt will be rigid and stiff.

[EvansCousinsDUO]

I think this game will be a step in the right direction. After multiple games of feeling out our offense, defense, and general game-play. We will take in our strengths and maximize them, FT% should be decent as well, I think westphal will give a 6 hour long workout on freethrows which will make all of our players 90% FT shooters. Everyone will no longer be lazy as well, because of the constant homegames and little traveling, we will have more energy thus making it easier to run back on defense. Should be a solid win for the Kings.

[nuraman00]

I really don't think the FT% shooting will change, outside of maybe Evans. These guys are what their career FT shooting says they are.

[IowaSacKing93]

Calling in to let you guys know that I won't be here tomorrow </3.

[Eze]

Amare "not confident" he'll play tonight.

[nuraman00]

Calling in to let you guys know that I won't be here tomorrow </3.

Thanks for the alert, IowaSacKing93 (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?9-IowaSacKing93). Have a safe and Happy New Year's. I hope you don't have car trouble.

BTW, does that smiley mean "heart"? If so, how does that fit in with the context and sentiment your post?

[nuraman00]

Amare "not confident" he'll play tonight.

Yeah, I figured he'd be out, that's why I didn't list him in the keys. Kings have to win by 15++ if they play good.

[Eze]

And he's officially out. Eric Gordon looking real iffy for tomorrow as well.

[nuraman00]

And he's officially out. Eric Gordon looking real iffy for tomorrow as well.

That sucks. I'd like the Kings to get a real test from a team's best lineup. Not feel a false sense of confidence because they beat up on Jarrett Jack and Bellineli.

Jack is ok at running a pick and pop, he did it with Aldridge better than Roy or Blake could. He'll probably try it with Landry and Kaman on this team. Jack can also get 5-6 FT attempts in transition.

But he also turns it over when pressured.

[nuraman00]

Eze (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?2-Eze), do you know what "</3" was supposed to be? A sad-face typo?

[Eze]

I *think* a broken heart ha

[nuraman00]

Thanks.

Let's add this to the smiley list:

82

[nuraman00]

Where is lazybum1079 (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?10-lazybum1079)? He better have some champagne egg nog recipe to post in today's game thread. He promised he'd have a recipe for every game thread from his two month road trip this summer.

[Eze]

Curious to see who Tyson Chandler guards - Hayes or Cousins.

If Chandler guards Chuck, DMC should be able to just shoot over whomever they throw at PF (Bill Walker?). If Tyson guards DMC, just hang out on the elbow and play PG - leave the lane open.

[ctba]

Amare out

[Eze]

Also, Mike Bibby should see about 20-22 min of floor time tonight. Over/under on Jimmer going 93 for 94 for 4932 points?

[ctba]

:salmons:

[EvansCousinsDUO]

Bibby will probably shed a few tears tonight, being back in Sacramento..hearing the arco thunder..remembering the memories of the past as his team loses to the new kings team.

[nuraman00]

Wow I suck, I just wasted a few hours. Now I'll be late to start watching the game and game thread.

[Eze]

Don't shit on my New Year's Kings. WIN.

[SactoIV]

Terrible. Zero changes on offense so far.

[Eze]

*shakes head*

Not the way to start.

[Eze]

Evans hurt. Yay. :|

[Eze]

So down 15 to an Amare-less Knicks after one. lol

[bloatedmaniac]

Great strategy by the Kings. Trick the Knicks into a false sense of security by playing like absolutely garbage early and then turn up the heat when the Knicks tire out from making so many easy shots.

[bloatedmaniac]

Glad Tyreke's FT practice worked....misses his first two.

[Eze]

Kings keep the deficit under 40 by half and they're gooooood.

[BosnianBaller_]

this team is pathetic. i have a migraine after watching one quarter. i officially hate salmons and tyreke. and what the fuck is westphal teaching these guys. they make one pass and then take a contested shot and then on their way to the bench he tells them good job.....your down 20 fucking points asshole. here we go another season of mediocrity

[EvansCousinsDUO]

Please somebody pinch me, I think I am dreaming right now..correction..having a nightmare.

[EvansCousinsDUO]

Yes 7-0 run!!!!!!! we can come back still.

[Eze]

Get it to 10 by half and pray. lol

[bloatedmaniac]

Thats it Jimmer, take that 25 foot 3 with 22 seconds on the shotclock. Way to learn from the scrubs.

[BosnianBaller_]

everytime i see salmons i vomit in my mouth

[BosnianBaller_]

fire westphal and hire someone who will run the offense thru cousins

[BosnianBaller_]

i think tyreke is tanking

[Eze]

Salmons has a wide open J but drives into four Knicks. lolz

[nuraman00]

Great strategy by the Kings. Trick the Knicks into a false sense of security by playing like absolutely garbage early and then turn up the heat when the Knicks tire out from making so many easy shots.

Hey bloatedmaniac (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?16-bloatedmaniac). I agree, this is a MENSA-esque strategy.

[Eze]

Alarming that Jason Thompson has been the Kings best player through four games.

[nuraman00]

Ok, I heard the Kings were down by 22. Anyways, I'll be back again in about 30 mins.

[nuraman00]

Alarming that Jason Thompson has been the Kings best player through four games.

Yeah, his 35 minutes have been awesome.

[BosnianBaller_]

Salmons has a wide open J but drives into four Knicks. lolz

once in a while a kings player comes along that i hate and rite now its john salmons. he's reaching the likes of kenny thomas, ostertag, and mikki moore

[BosnianBaller_]

his hands were straight up...how was that a foul. melo is such a little whiny bitch

[bloatedmaniac]

The team will still probably suck going through Cousins, especially since he always gets himself into foul trouble. Then you are back to the usual routine.

[Eze]

Well, that was painful. No Amare. Melo had 2 points in the first. Chandler played about 3 minutes. Down 14 at half.

[EvansCousinsDUO]

Cousins needs to go off in the 2nd half. I pray westphal realizes he's our only hope.

[EvansCousinsDUO]

Well, that was painful. No Amare. Melo had 2 points in the first. Chandler played about 3 minutes. Down 14 at half.

Lol I know I feel devastated. How could we allow their bench to just take over like that.. I mean come on..I think kings relaxed a bit thinking this will be easy with Amare gone.

[nuraman00]

Ok, back. 56-44, early 3rd quarter.

[Eze]

I for the life of me can not figure out the speed walking up court. RUN. WTF.

[bloatedmaniac]

I hate how often the Kings get a rebound then try to force a shot with 4 defenders around them.

[nuraman00]

Cousins to Greene!

[nuraman00]

I hate how often the Kings get a rebound then try to force a shot with 4 defenders around them.

That was Thornton. Has it happened earlier in the game too?

[bloatedmaniac]

Donte shows why he never plays...

[nuraman00]

Evans reverse layup.

66-52.

[bloatedmaniac]

Cousins and I believe Hayes did that earlier as well. Always frustrating to see...just kick the ball out.

[Eze]

That was Thornton. Has it happened earlier in the game too?

About seven times. Literally.

[bloatedmaniac]

Donte with the 3!!! We love to be down 14 it seems!

[bloatedmaniac]

Donte with the 3!!! DEJA VU!

[Eze]

Hopefully that keeps Outlaw on the bench for the next four years :|

[nuraman00]

Cousins and I believe Hayes did that earlier as well. Always frustrating to see...just kick the ball out.

During 2005-2006, when Detroit went from Larry Brown to Flip Saunders, Saunders did not Ben want Wallace to shoot at all. So he told Wallace to pass back out whenever he got a rebound.

That resulted in Ben having a career high 2.1 assists per game. But it also laid to friction between Wallace and Saunders.

[nuraman00]

Hopefully that keeps Outlaw on the bench for the next four years :|

I'd rather have Outlaw playing that Greene, even though Outlaw hasn't done much so far. I just think he makes less mistakes.

[EvansCousinsDUO]

Donte and Jt are providing solid minutes off the bench. Donte should get some more minutes and take some away from salmons/outlaw.

[nuraman00]

Greene turns it over on a fast break.

[bloatedmaniac]

Donte hands it off to a Knick player instead of Jimmer! Way to give those points back Donte!

[Eze]

Jason Jones:


Chuck Hayes is doing more talking on defense from the bench than anyone on the floor for the Kings.

So sad.

[nuraman00]

Greene with a missed layup.

[nuraman00]

Donte hands it off to a Knick player instead of Jimmer! Way to give those points back Donte!

He's thinks his scoring average will raise if he lets Bill Walker score.

[nuraman00]

Goal for the Kings: Hold New York to 96 points. If they do, I think they can win.

[nuraman00]

Bibby fouls Fredette.

[nuraman00]

I like Fredette's activity on defense. Once he understands how to play defense at the NBA level, he'll be a lot better than Bibby ever was.

[bloatedmaniac]

Goal for the Kings...pretend like they are another team.

[nuraman00]

Fredette misses a pull-up three.

[bloatedmaniac]

Agreed, Jimmer is giving a lot of effort, even if its not always the best. Bibby is a statue.

[nuraman00]

Goal for the Kings...pretend like they are another team.

They're pretending they're the 2004-2005 13 win Atlanta Hawks.

[bloatedmaniac]

Thornton probably should of gave a pull up 3 there.

[Eze]

I'm not sure what hurts worse - my eyes, for watching this, or my brain, for trying to understand and comprehend what these guys are currently calling basketball.

[nuraman00]

Fredette is 2-8 on FGs and 1-5 from 3-point line. He has to shoot better for him to be called a "shooter".

The worst part of J.J. Redick's game, is his shooting. His percentages are bad, they're at Lou Williams levels. So I don't consider Redick a shooter. He is someone that can drive and handle the ball and make plays for others, but he's neither a shooter nor a scorer.

For this year, I hope Fredette can shoot 45%.

[nuraman00]

I'm not sure what hurts worse - my eyes, for watching this, or my brain, for trying to understand and comprehend what these guys are currently calling basketball.

It's easy to understand if you just expect it to continue. :)

[bloatedmaniac]

"Bibby causing some trouble for Jimmer Fredette"...o.m...g.....aaaaaaaaaaahhh. Those are words you never want to hear.

[bloatedmaniac]

Flagrant foul for Greene....too bad nobody on this team can make a free throw.

[bloatedmaniac]

Really would like the front office to go to hell and let Garcia be played. He is better than Outlaw or Greene and at times even Salmons. You pay him...just play him.

[Eze]

Refs feel so sorry for the Kings that they're calling flagrant fouls on normal fouls.

[nuraman00]

I don't know if they should feel sorry, when Bill Walker to Tyson Chandler is allowed to happen.

[nuraman00]

"Chandler has run amok. The Kings have no answer for him".

[bloatedmaniac]

Random question...who would u rather have as a coach...Westphal or Smart.

[hitdog]

time to get on the horn with Grant Napier on Monday and tell him this team is DONE, they've already givin' up on the season...........and then take his profanity laced rant reply tellin' me how much of a dumbass and how cluesless I am off the air. :)

[bloatedmaniac]

Nobody should feel sorry for the Kings. They should be furious with this effort. I can understand losing the Blazers and the Bulls. Not the Knicks tonight. The Kings were shitty in every way. Stupid fouls, missed FTs, missing easy shots, careless turnovers, inconsistant energy level, bad passing. All on Kings.

[nuraman00]

time to get on the horn with Grant Napier on Monday and tell him this team is DONE, they've already givin' up on the season...........and then take his profanity laced rant reply tellin' me how much of a dumbass and how cluesless I am off the air. :)

Hey hitdog (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?161-hitdog). I remember last year, during a game thread, you typed "profanity!" when the Kings were playing like they are right now.

[nuraman00]

Nobody should feel sorry for the Kings. They should be furious with this effort. I can understand losing the Blazers and the Bulls. Not the Knicks tonight. The Kings were shitty in every way. Stupid fouls, missed FTs, missing easy shots, careless turnovers, inconsistant energy level, bad passing. All on Kings.

The color commentator on the Knicks has used "omnipotent" to describe Chandler, 3 times in the past 5 minutes.

[Eze]

Melo's already icing his knees w/ 7 minutes left. LOL @ the Knicks feeling about the Kings ability to make it a game. haha

[EvansCousinsDUO]

I hate tyson chandler and i hate the knicks bench, i wish i could beat them up very hard.

[hitdog]

LOL !! what's up Nuraman. ya I tend to get a little pissed off when they play like crap, sometimes I'll type/yell, "HoochieMama" or "SerenityNow". It tends to ease the pain a bit. LOL

[Eze]

I hate tyson chandler and i hate the knicks bench, i wish i could beat them up very hard.

Saddest part? Knicks probably have one of the three worst benches in the league - which was made even worse since Amare was out.

GO KINGS!

:heehee:

[hitdog]

I'm still tryin' to figure this board out, like replying to someone the right way.

[EvansCousinsDUO]

I just want Garcia to run off the bench and throw a big fist in chandlers teeth and break his two front teeth. It's not like he's playing anyway so don't mind that suspension, at least give us kings fans a feelgood moment.

[nuraman00]

98-78.

The Kings didn't hold their end.

[nuraman00]

LOL !! what's up Nuraman. ya I tend to get a little pissed off when they play like crap, sometimes I'll type/yell, "HoochieMama" or "SerenityNow". It tends to ease the pain a bit. LOL

Thanks. They will provide classic game thread moments.

[EvansCousinsDUO]

Oh well. Welcome to the kings Anthony Davis or Andre Drummond.

[Eze]

I'm still tryin' to figure this board out, like replying to someone the right way.

Hit the reply with quote button on the bottom right of the post.

[nuraman00]

Click "Reply With Quote" on the right hand side, to quote that poster.

[nuraman00]

"Very inept tonight on the offense".

[bloatedmaniac]

The Kings won't get a top draft pick so we won't be welcoming either.

[nuraman00]

"Kings can't get stops. Almost every time down the floor, the Knicks are scoring".

I'm waiting for the commentator to do that "swishin' and dishin'" call.

[bloatedmaniac]

Is it wrong when Thomas is the only person on this team I trust to play well?

[nuraman00]

Jeremy Lin is in! Maybe the Kings can draft a Harvard player in the 2012 draft, since Harvard is good this year. Then when they play the Knicks next year, it can be a battle of Harvard players!

[nuraman00]

Is it wrong when Thomas is the only person on this team I trust to play well?

You shouldn't trust Thomas. You shouldn't trust anyone wearing white.

[nuraman00]

"Hickson saves it right to Lin".

[nuraman00]

They just played the Beastie Boys "Fight For Your Right" on the outtro. I'm sure there will be a big party tonight in New York since the Knicks beat the Kings.

[Eze]

If Thomas had about 25 pounds and 5 inches he'd be a freaking star.

Wish the rest of the Kings had the same motor and desire he had.

Tyreke looks like dead man walking.

[nuraman00]

The Kings are making it easy as to what I should predict them to be. There really isn't much of a choice.

[nuraman00]

"Kings have stopped paying defense. 3 consecutive hoops inside".

[nuraman00]

Is this season going to be as bad as 2008-2009, but with better talent?

[hitdog]

got it. Man what a beat down in our own crib tonight. Very ugly.

[Eze]

"Kings have stopped paying defense. 3 consecutive hoops inside".

I think they could have said that and it be accurate at 11:49 in the 1st. lol

[nuraman00]

Nice one-handed dunk by Hickson.

[nuraman00]

I think they could have said that and it be accurate at 11:49 in the 1st. lol

Based on how they had an early 22 point deficit, yeah.

[Eze]

Is this season going to be as bad as 2008-2009, but with better talent?

They'll get it going down the road, assuming Tyreke comes along. If he pulls this crap all year, wow - forget the season, worry about keeping the franchise in Sac.

[nuraman00]

Is Lin going to shut down Thomas in the final 31 seconds?

[PackfanMatt_12]

I thought the game was at 7:15. I will consider this a blessing

[Gunshot]

Pre season will be over in a few weeks

[hitdog]

Click "Reply With Quote" on the right hand side, to quote that poster.

thx

[nuraman00]

I guess I'll switch to the Utah-San Antonio game, after the final 1.9 seconds left. Wish the score was closer.

[nuraman00]

I thought the game was at 7:15. I will consider this a blessing

I even have your name in the PST Time Zone! :)

[nuraman00]

Click "Reply With Quote" on the right hand side, to quote that poster.
thx

Your welcome.

[bloatedmaniac]

Well at least the Kings gave a strong effort to keep things close...oh wait...

[EvansCousinsDUO]

Pre season will be over in a few weeks

Yeah, technically this is suppose to be the pre season. It's hard trying to remember that.

[nuraman00]

Well at least the Kings gave a strong effort to keep things close...oh wait...

Draft Anthony Davis and sign Deron Williams. Sounds like a good plan.

Trade Evans to the Nets for Anthony Morrow.

[Eze]

Yeah, technically this is suppose to be the pre season. It's hard trying to remember that.

I think the Kings might still be in Summer League mode.

[PackfanMatt_12]

I even have your name in the PST Time Zone! :)

After the first 3 games I just started automatically assuming the games were at 7:15 so i was going to show up here at 7

[Gunshot]

same ole story ...different team
who to blame..who to blame

[nuraman00]

After the first 3 games I just started automatically assuming the games were at 7:15 so i was going to show up here at 7

Yeah, they had the early start today for NYE.

Sunday games also have the 3PM PST start.

I might have to remove lazybum1079 (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?10-lazybum1079)'s SN from PST if he's not going to post. :(

[nuraman00]

same ole story ...different team
who to blame..who to blame

The 14 guys on the roster.

[Eze]

same ole story ...different team
who to blame..who to blame

I'm not even sure Phil Jackson could motivate these guys - though, I think they need a different voice.

That said, as the Evans goes, so do the Kings. He has been nothing short of an embarrassment, going back to last year. The lollygagging up and down the court is just inexcusable.

[Gunshot]

someone needs to drop the hammer...and if he can't do it...then someone needs to drop the hammer on him....and so on

[Gunshot]

The 14 guys on the roster.

okay....who built that roster?

[Eze]

Yikes. Westphal's presser was bad. Norv Turner like. Essentially said the Knicks just had the hot hand and Kings just had some small issues - when asked if a lineup change is possible his answer was "no" and when asked if Tyreke wasn't progressing he said Reke had a fine game and if he had made 1 or 2 more of his layups, that question wouldn't have been asked.

Okaaay.

[nuraman00]

okay....who built that roster?

I think some of the moves this offseason were ok, even if they haven't been playing that well. But the team is playing so poorly that even if they'd gotten one of the offseason acquisitions I'd wanted, it wouldn't have mattered.

Maybe it could have, as sometimes one player can make a difference. But I think since so many players are just showing their weaknesses and not their strengths, it might not have mattered.

Outlaw has not been good, and Salmons has only been good on defense (but not today).

I don't know. I didn't like the Miami Heat's changes between 2004-2005 and 2005-2006, but it seemed to work in the playoffs.

It would be on the G.M. if there was a poor acquisition or two (especially if its a starter), but since no one is playing well, I think it's more on the players and coaches. The players aren't even showing the strengths that they possess.

[nuraman00]

Yikes. Westphal's presser was bad. Norv Turner like. Essentially said the Knicks just had the hot hand and Kings just had some small issues - when asked if a lineup change is possible his answer was "no" and when asked if Tyreke wasn't progressing he said Reke had a fine game and if he had made 1 or 2 more of his layups, that question wouldn't have been asked.

Okaaay.

Do they show these on CSN-CA? How do you watch these if you use LP?

Or, do you use streaming audio for the press conference?

[EvansCousinsDUO]

Guys tomorrow the hornets will suck and we will blow them out of the water..we've just been going against too many top teams. It's time for us to go against easy teams starting with the weak bees..hornets...
It's still not time to panic.

[bloatedmaniac]

If Westphal plans a change to the lineup or wants to call out Tyreke...it shouldn't be to the media. Thats the stuff you handle to the players themselves. Theus used to throw players under the bus and thats why they turned on him.

[Gunshot]

I think some of the moves this offseason were ok, even if they haven't been playing that well. But the team is playing so poorly that even if they'd gotten one of the offseason acquisitions I'd wanted, it wouldn't have mattered.

Maybe it could have, as sometimes one player can make a difference. But I think since so many players are just showing their weaknesses and not their strengths, it might not have mattered.

Outlaw has not been good, and Salmons has only been good on defense (but not today).

I don't know. I didn't like the Miami Heat's changes between 2004-2005 and 2005-2006, but it seemed to work in the playoffs.

It would be on the G.M. if there was a poor acquisition or two (especially if its a starter), but since no one is playing well, I think it's more on the players and coaches. The players aren't even showing the strengths that they possess.

maybe the teams problems date back farther than this year?
I've been disgusted with Petrie for about 7 years now

[bloatedmaniac]

The Knicks beat the Kings with their B unit...the Hornets are actually a strong defensive team who are playing hard. If the Kings lollygag and play defense against themselves it won't be easy. They should win....but they have to assert themselves like they haven't the past 3 games.

[nuraman00]

Guys tomorrow the hornets will suck and we will blow them out of the water..we've just been going against too many top teams. It's time for us to go against easy teams starting with the weak bees..hornets...
It's still not time to panic.

The Knicks are not good without Stoudemire and Anthony. Landry Fields, Josh Harrellson, and Bill Walker shouldn't make the Knicks not miss Stoudemire.

[Gunshot]

If Westphal plans a change to the lineup or wants to call out Tyreke...it shouldn't be to the media. Thats the stuff you handle to the players themselves. Theus used to throw players under the bus and thats why they turned on him.

some guys just need to be benched.....plain & simple
no need to blast em in the media...no need to have a chat

[nuraman00]

The Knicks beat the Kings with their B unit...the Hornets are actually a strong defensive team who are playing hard. If the Kings lollygag and play defense against themselves it won't be easy. They should win....but they have to assert themselves like they haven't the past 3 games.

Agree. Jarrett Jack, Kaman, Okafor are solid defensive players. This will be a more physical game than the Knicks game, and so far the Kings don't handle pressure that well.

[bloatedmaniac]

I liked the addition of Hayes. The draft was great. Salmons deal has blown as has the stupid Outlaw signing. Petrie wasn't all that bad, but could of been better. I do hold the Maloofs accountable since they were as restrictive as anything in making signings.

[nuraman00]

maybe the teams problems date back farther than this year?
I've been disgusted with Petrie for about 7 years now

I haven't liked some moves by Petrie. I just thought this was a better offseason than usual.

I've been ok with his drafts since 2007 (except this year I thought Kemba Walker was a better pick).

His FA signings (Udrih, Moore, Abdur-Rahim) I haven't liked. Salmons in 2006, I don't remember who else was available anymore. Then again, I didn't like his FA of Brad Miller, but it took me a few years to like it. I just felt he gives too many years to these FAs, but with the new C.B.A., at least that will be cut to 4 years.

Really this team has the characteristics to be good at rebounding (Cousins, Hayes, Hickson, Evans), defense (Cousins, Hayes, Thornton, Evans). They should be able to get in the paint and make layups like Parker and Ginobili.

Right now, they're not playing good perimeter defense. The interior defense was only good in the first and third games. They're not making layups.

They don't have an established player to play off of, whether Cousins or Evans.

[EvansCousinsDUO]

I just can't believe how we're losing..in 2k12 I destroy teams like the knicks and hornets..in real life things like chemistry, being in sync, and pressure come into play :(

[nuraman00]

I liked the addition of Hayes. The draft was great. Salmons deal has blown as has the stupid Outlaw signing. Petrie wasn't all that bad, but could of been better. I do hold the Maloofs accountable since they were as restrictive as anything in making signings.

Salmons could look good if Evans, Thornton, and Cousins form the big three, and Salmons is the 4th option like Hamilton is for Detroit, or Caron Butler for the Clippers.

But neither Evans, Thornton, and Cousins are shooting or scoring well. Even Cousins has had too many games with missed layups, not one good shooting game.

I put the onus on the players that have the biggest responsibility first (Evans, Cousins, Thornton).

The team still has Garcia, so they could bring Salmons off the bench.

[Gunshot]

I haven't liked some moves by Petrie. I just thought this was a better offseason than usual.

I've been ok with his drafts since 2007 (except this year I thought Kemba Walker was a better pick).

His FA signings (Udrih, Moore, Abdur-Rahim) I haven't liked. Salmons in 2006, I don't remember who else was available anymore. Then again, I didn't like his FA of Brad Miller, but it took me a few years to like it. I just felt he gives too many years to these FAs, but with the new C.B.A., at least that will be cut to 4 years.

Really this team has the characteristics to be good at rebounding (Cousins, Hayes, Hickson, Evans), defense (Cousins, Hayes, Thornton, Evans). They should be able to get in the paint and make layups like Parker and Ginobili.

Right now, they're not playing good perimeter defense. The interior defense was only good in the first and third games. They're not making layups.

They don't have an established player to play off of, whether Cousins or Evans.

don't want to get into a big debate...but IMO signings of Petrie types like BMiller are the main reason their aren't multiple banners hanging in the rafters
didn't like it the day it happened...was happy the day he left.......milk toast mofo BMiller

[Eze]

Do they show these on CSN-CA? How do you watch these if you use LP?

Or, do you use streaming audio for the press conference?

They normally show it on the post game show on CSN

[Eze]

Jason Jones saying there is some bitching going on in the locker room and Hayes told Cousins to knock off the jokes as there's nothing funny about what happened tonight.

[nuraman00]

I liked the addition of Hayes. The draft was great. Salmons deal has blown as has the stupid Outlaw signing. Petrie wasn't all that bad, but could of been better. I do hold the Maloofs accountable since they were as restrictive as anything in making signings.

Also, the Salmons trade wasn't really about getting Salmons, but getting rid of Udrih. They can't have Udrih with Fredette on the roster.

Could there have been a better way to get rid of Udrih? Maybe. Don't know what the market was for him.

As for the Maloofs, they really should have permitted signing someone like David West or AK to a larger, short-term deal, rather than hope the current players just figure it out. Those vets make less mistakes than the current Kings.

Caron Butler has also played well so far. They could have signed him, and amnestied someone if they needed to.

There were more legit, starting caliber players that could have been had, rather than Outlaw and Thornton. If Humphries averages a double-double again, he would have been worth a 2 year deal.

So AK, West, Humphries, Butler, and whomever else are just more polished starting caliber players than what the Kings had.

The Kings can't even amnesty anyone because they'd be too far below the minimum payroll.

[Gunshot]

yeah...lol
Beno is sounding pretty good right about now

[Eze]

As for the Maloofs, they really should have permitted signing someone like David West or AK to a larger, short-term deal,

I think they did (well, Kings didn't seem to have interest in West) - nobody wants to play for Sacramento. I mean, we were spurned by Dalembert, Crawford and AK - granted the Kings weren't offering more than one or two year contracts, but they were the most lucrative and they still picked elsewhere.

[nuraman00]

don't want to get into a big debate...but IMO signings of Petrie types like BMiller are the main reason their aren't multiple banners hanging in the rafters
didn't like it the day it happened...was happy the day he left.......milk toast mofo BMiller

Wow. I thought I was one of the few critics of the Miller signing, but even I changed my mind after a few years (when I saw that Chandler, Dalembert, and Nene were getting similar contracts for similar numbers).

He did have one more All-Star year, so that also helped IMO. But from 2006-2007 onward, he was done as a starter. So his value only lasted three years.

I just remember Denver had offered $48M, and what initially bothered me about the contract was the Kings going to $68M. That's a huge jump over the next best offer, and what bothered me for a few years.

I don't remember what other bigs were available anymore. Camby wasn't a FA until 2004.

[Eze]

And Tyreke says the team is lost...


Tyreke Evans says the team is lost. Chuck Hayes scolded players/media in locker room for being too jovial after 30 pt loss

[nuraman00]

yeah...lol
Beno is sounding pretty good right about now

Meh. He wasn't a good PG IMO. His best move was a pull-up jumper. He only played well when he scored.

I mean, Udrih was the PG during 2008-2009. The bad season I hope this season doesn't duplicate.

I hope Fredette, who's taking Udrih's minutes on the Kings, can be better, in the future, than Udrih was.

[Eze]

Fredette looks really bad outside of scoring right now, IMO.

Isaiah is far more ready to be a backup - it wont happen, of course, but, Jimmer (while he has his moments) just looks majorly rough.

[EvansCousinsDUO]

I agree with Chuck Hayes. You gotta get angry and motivated by such a loss. This isn't a time for laughs and relaxation. It's a time for tears, remorse and regret and 10 hours worth of nonstop training.
I hope Hayes makes the team realize they need to step up and fix all of their mistakes. You can't win unless you lose and right now hopefully these losses that this team is experiencing together helps to push them forward.

[EvansCousinsDUO]

Fredette looks really bad outside of scoring right now, IMO.

Isaiah is far more ready to be a backup - it wont happen, of course, but, Jimmer (while he has his moments) just looks majorly rough.

Yeah I completely agree with you. Don't know whats wrong with Jimmer but he is looking really bad..2-10 FG and missed all of his 3s .....
Isaiah is doing everything he can with his minutes and being much more productive.

[nuraman00]

I think they did (well, Kings didn't seem to have interest in West) - nobody wants to play for Sacramento. I mean, we were spurned by Dalembert, Crawford and AK - granted the Kings weren't offering more than one or two year contracts, but they were the most lucrative and they still picked elsewhere.

How much were the Kings offering for Dalembert? I know it got tricky because they also had Hayes on the horizon.

If they only limited contracts to two years for Dalembert and AK, that's probably why.

I would have been fine with 3 years for Dalembert, but not 4. AK, would have taken 3 years at least from any NBA team.

Crawford is good, but the Kings don't need another guard.

I just think the "nobody wants to play for Sacramento" is too defeatist. Divac came here. A 6 year contract is why, but he came. Gilbert Arenas went to Washington. Joe Johnson, the first time, wanted to go to Atlanta.

Caron Butler went to the Clippers before they got Chris Paul or Billups.

Andre Miller went to Portland.

One thing that helps (as in the Clippers case) is having a superstar. The Kings don't have any.

[nuraman00]

Thomas should be playing over Fredette now, because the team is just making too many mistakes. But as you guys have said, it won't happen. That's on coaching.

Thomas has 0 turnovers in 3 games. Nice.

[ctba]

If I were Paul I would make all the players head over to the practice facility and shoot free throws for 4 hours.

[Eze]

How much were the Kings offering for Dalembert? I know it got tricky because they also had Hayes on the horizon.

If they only limited contracts to two years for Dalembert and AK, that's probably why.

I would have been fine with 3 years for Dalembert, but not 4. AK, would have taken 3 years at least from any NBA team.

Crawford is good, but the Kings don't need another guard.

I just think the "nobody wants to play for Sacramento" is too defeatist. Divac came here. A 6 year contract is why, but he came. Gilbert Arenas went to Washington. Joe Johnson, the first time, wanted to go to Atlanta.

Caron Butler went to the Clippers before they got Chris Paul or Billups.

Andre Miller went to Portland.

One thing that helps (as in the Clippers case) is having a superstar. The Kings don't have any.

According to a couple people like Amick and Jason Jones, the Kings had the most lucrative offer (that was the word choice, lucrative) to him TWICE and he declined both. Crawford wanted a one year deal with a player option - Kings offered the most money but not sure if they gave him the player option. I'm guessing they did or he would have passed like he did in Indiana. I don't think anything ever came out on AK other than the assumption that the offer was for 9+ million a year for a few years.

JJ was having MAJOR problems with the Suns front office, so he took the only offer (since it was an offer sheet) he could which happened to be Atlanta. Caron I think went to LA mostly because, well, why not - nobody else was paying him anything close to that with that injury history. lol

As far as Arenas, he picked Washington over a coin-flip. And no, I'm not shitting you. lol


After that season, he signed with the Washington Wizards, reportedly after flipping a coin to decide among several teams, including the Wizards, Warriors, and Los Angeles Clippers

Sac just doesn't hold much appeal - it has a stigma among NBA players from the city and without winning, it's just not appealing. Once they start winning (assuming they do) it wont be such a wasteland to so many of them, but right now?

[Gunshot]

these guys know how to shoot free throws after growing up with a basketball....problem with this group is self confidence IMO

[Eze]

There is definitely some coaching issues going on. Not sure it's totally Westphal, but a respect factor - a player that wants to listen to a coach they believe in. I watched the post game locker room video after the Laker victory and they just seemed very...I dunno - tuned out to Westphal's post game speech to them. You see guys gripping on every word for some coaches.

I see the way Cousins reacts to Calipari and it's not the same to Westphal. Same with Evans.

[Gunshot]

Evans is like a black hole when it comes to confidence...every mistake is another dagger to his psyche
...you can see it in his eyes...

dude would benefit from a sports psychologist

[Eze]

Agree. His swing in momentum is pretty big, good or bad, usually more bad than good right now though.

Kings all feed off of him. When he struggle, pouts and gives a poor effort - so do the rest.

[Gunshot]

There is definitely some coaching issues going on. Not sure it's totally Westphal, but a respect factor - a player that wants to listen to a coach they believe in. I watched the post game locker room video after the Laker victory and they just seemed very...I dunno - tuned out to Westphal's post game speech to them. You see guys gripping on every word for some coaches.

I see the way Cousins reacts to Calipari and it's not the same to Westphal. Same with Evans.

if Cousins is just now saying "we need to run the coaches plays"....it's a respect thing
I'm tellin ya...if I'm Westphal I call a play and if a guy runs some one on one shit, I call timeout and replace him

that's how you get childrens attention

[nuraman00]

According to a couple people like Amick and Jason Jones, the Kings had the most lucrative offer (that was the word choice, lucrative) to him TWICE and he declined both. Crawford wanted a one year deal with a player option - Kings offered the most money but not sure if they gave him the player option. I'm guessing they did or he would have passed like he did in Indiana. I don't think anything ever came out on AK other than the assumption that the offer was for 9+ million a year for a few years.

JJ was having MAJOR problems with the Suns front office, so he took the only offer (since it was an offer sheet) he could which happened to be Atlanta. Caron I think went to LA mostly because, well, why not - nobody else was paying him anything close to that with that injury history. lol

As far as Arenas, he picked Washington over a coin-flip. And no, I'm not shitting you. lol



Sac just doesn't hold much appeal - it has a stigma among NBA players from the city and without winning, it's just not appealing. Once they start winning (assuming they do) it wont be such a wasteland to so many of them, but right now?

Yeah, I knew about the coin flip for Arenas.

I just think the Kings situation now isn't that different than Atlanta or Washington back in those days. Or Portland.

As for Joe Johnson, agree he was having problems with their front office. He didn't like the way they were negotiating. They told him to find an offer first, and then they'd match. They weren't being proactive, and making him an offer. So he felt they didn't really want him.

But still, if the Kings were proactive with some FAs, they'd come. It would also help if the players on the team would help recruit.

When Steve Nash was deciding where to go, and he came to Phoenix on a visit, Amare Stoudemire went up to him and said "if we get you, it's in the bag". That's the kind of recruiting effort I'd like the current Kings to take. Not saying their chose of whom to recruit would be wise, but all of these help make the Kings sound more desirable. It would help if they went to a FA and said "The Kings are a good organization because of X, Y, and Z". That type of personal touch could make a difference. Especially when teammates show they want to play with you.

[nuraman00]

Evans is like a black hole when it comes to confidence...every mistake is another dagger to his psyche
...you can see it in his eyes...

dude would benefit from a sports psychologist

Interesting, I've never noticed that.

[nuraman00]

Agree. His swing in momentum is pretty big, good or bad, usually more bad than good right now though.

Kings all feed off of him. When he struggle, pouts and gives a poor effort - so do the rest.

Does he pout, or give off a dejected vibe?

[nuraman00]

if Cousins is just now saying "we need to run the coaches plays"....it's a respect thing
I'm tellin ya...if I'm Westphal I call a play and if a guy runs some one on one shit, I call timeout and replace him

that's how you get childrens attention

So Cousins is saying there's too much free lancing?

(I know that's what appears to be happening in games, but it's something else if a players says it too).

[nuraman00]

Do they show these on CSN-CA? How do you watch these Eze (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?2-Eze) if you use LP?

Or, do you use streaming audio for the press conference?

[Eze]

Does he pout, or give off a dejected vibe?

Dejected, I guess. Almost frustrated.

[Eze]

Do they show these on CSN-CA? How do you watch these Eze (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?2-Eze) if you use LP?

Or, do you use streaming audio for the press conference?

They show it on LP (I watch it on CSN) - they don't cut it off USUALLY until after the post game stuff.

[Eze]

Looks like Evans is joining forces with Cousins on the play bashing. Be easier to understand if he spoke English. lol


Evans: “Everybody keeps blaming the coach, about the plays, the plays not good but, hey it be like that sometime. You’ve just got to play.”

[nuraman00]

I've also read "Nobody wants to come to Portland", yet in a span of 3 off-seasons, they've gotten good players in Andre Miller and Jamal Crawford.

I just think the organization, either from the GM, or from the players, can do more to get players, if they're not getting them.

Utah got Boozer and Okur in one offseason, a year after missing out on Terry and Maggette.

So between Utah, Portland, Washington, Atlanta, that's four other places that are getting players. If it means the Kings have to try twice as hard, so be it, but it can be done.

Just the fact that Terry and Maggette signed offer sheets with Utah is big.

If they're not getting players now, then change the way they go after players.

[nuraman00]

Dejected, I guess. Almost frustrated.

Thanks, I'll try and watch out for that.

[Gunshot]

Dejected, I guess. Almost frustrated.

i would say...he flashes looks of not being confident....and it snowballs

[nuraman00]

They show it on LP (I watch it on CSN) - they don't cut it off USUALLY until after the post game stuff.

Hmm. When I watch LP, usually they cut it off right after the game is over. I watched the road broadcast today, but for the Bulls game, it was the home broadcast, and I didn't see anything.

I'll try harder to watch the postgame show next time. I'll let you know if I'm able to see it.

I know on LP Broadband, they usually cut it off sometime during a player interview after the game. For example, remember when Cousins kissed Reynolds? That's about the time when they cut it off. So when a player does an on-court interview after the game. I guess that only happens during wins though, something we haven't seen in almost a week.

[Eze]

Spencer Hawes is beating right now.

The world of basketball is a strange place.

[Gunshot]

So Cousins is saying there's too much free lancing?

(I know that's what appears to be happening in games, but it's something else if a players says it too).
as per Jason Jones


Cousins said at least 5 times that the solution is to "do what coach say" and run his offense.

[Eze]

Hmm. When I watch LP, usually they cut it off right after the game is over. I watched the road broadcast today, but for the Bulls game, it was the home broadcast, and I didn't see anything.

I'll try harder to watch the postgame show next time. I'll let you know if I'm able to see it.

I know on LP Broadband, they usually cut it off sometime during a player interview after the game. For example, remember when Cousins kissed Reynolds? That's about the time when they cut it off. So when a player does an on-court interview after the game. I guess that only happens during wins though, something we haven't seen in almost a week.

I always watch CSN on the specified CSN channel, not the actually NBA channel in the 700's on DirecTV - so they might cut the feed on the 700 channels but the CSN one they don't cut until they sign off.

[nuraman00]

Looks like Evans is joining forces with Cousins on the play bashing. Be easier to understand if he spoke English. lol

Lol. Thanks for posting these tweets. At least we know what they're thinking.

I do think the players want to win for Sacramento, even if it doesn't appear that way when they're getting blown out. I guess they're not resilient enough to do something about it during the game, but probably need a broader perspective after the game, to try and figure out what to change.

[Eze]

i would say...he flashes looks of not being confident....and it snowballs

And forces it. Layup didn't go in? Waste a few possessions with poor confidence, then barrel out of control into four guys and botch another layup. Rinse, repeat.

[nuraman00]

I always watch CSN on the specified CSN channel, not the actually NBA channel in the 700's on DirecTV - so they might cut the feed on the 700 channels but the CSN one they don't cut until they sign off.

Ok. I have cable and the CSN-CA channel has Bay Area programming. I guess I would have needed satellite for that then.

Thanks for posting the post-game reactions as you do. It's a nice bonus from the years of not having this, in previous years' game threads.

[nuraman00]

as per Jason Jones

5 times!

So is Jason Jones the new beat writer? Is he in the locker rooms?

[Eze]

5 times!

So is Jason Jones the new beat writer? Is he in the locker rooms?

He's been since Amick was let go (stupid ass Bee). Glad to see Amick blowing up though.

[nuraman00]

Spencer Hawes is beating right now.

The world of basketball is a strange place.

I tried to pick him up in fantasy leagues but he's already been added from a few days ago.

For Hawes, he was just too inconsistent on the Kings. He never had a consistent stretch that even Marcus Thornton had last year. And his only value was on the offensive end of the floor.

[nuraman00]

He's been since Amick was let go (stupid ass Bee). Glad to see Amick blowing up though.

Yeah, the Bee let Kreidler and Amick go. Budget cuts I guess.

Marcos Breton, he's ok but sometimes too much of a rabble-rouser IMO.

[Gunshot]

5 times!

So is Jason Jones the new beat writer? Is he in the locker rooms?

he does some Kings stuff here and there...I think he just knows somebody and gets full access to practices and free tickets..lol

as for Cousins...I think he is one who gets it

[Eze]

Maybe it was just me reading into this, too much - but don't they look extremely....un-enthused with his speech after the Laker win?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAB3_Qrp5Ls

[nuraman00]

Maybe it was just me reading into this, too much - but don't they look extremely....un-enthused with his speech after the Laker win?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PAB3_Qrp5Ls

IMO, most players don't look tuned in to pregame speeches, postgame speeches, or coaches during timeouts. Even players on championship caliber teams. Dennis Rodman said that players are often looking around, at the scoreboard, or elsewhere. Or their tucking in their shirt, tying their shoes, etc.

I think they can grasp at what the coaches are saying, without making eye contract. Just the words are enough.

It's just the way it is IMO.

[EvansCousinsDUO]

I think it's very good that the players and coaches are angry and talking about all of these losses. It is better to acknolegde it now and realize there are major problems and begin working on them right now to fix it quickly rather than not speak up about it. It shows everyone really cares and wants the same thing-to win..tyreke needs to give more speeches like he did today.. I love his speeches..cousins speeches are amazing as well.

[bloatedmaniac]

I give props to Hayes for calling out players, and for Cousins for saying "do what the coach says". Nobody on this team is good enough to freelance, and its a major concern that players don't seem to care after a lose. If the Lakers lose, Kobe is pissed and comes back with a vengence. If the Kings lose, Tyreke is ho-hum and comes back the next night missing free throws. Players have to hold themselves accountable, and play with a measure of self respect. Even if the team sucks, you want to be able to hold your head up and know that you did everything you could. Thats what the great players good, or even reliable role players.

As bad as this bout of drama sounds, I'm glad its coming out especially early in the season. It helps address the issues up front without much bs, and it makes it harder for certain players to hide in the shadows when they are doing things half assed. There is plenty of time to turn this bucket of trash into a true team and play strong throughout. They might not be playoff bound, but it doesn't mean they can't look good while losing.

[Eze]

Crazy to think less than a week ago these guys looked like the second coming versus the Lakers and now some rookie PF drops a night night, keep your booty hole tight on them.

[kingraider412]

Missed the game followed on my phone. I would surmise, more of the same, and worse. This is without stoudmarie playing. Westphal is lucky to be friends with Petrie because he would have been gone after this debacle.

[kingraider412]

But Westphal needs to go and needs to go right now before this season becomes lost. The man is officially crazy. I have been posting that this hire was a bad decision from the get go. He coaches the regular season like it’s an 82 game preseason, never making up his mind and just throwing different stuff together to see what works.
The reason our offense looks like crap is because his offense is not using a PG. He is basically letting anyone bring the ball down the floor. Why is John Salmons dribbling the ball down the floor and initiating our offense? What the heck is going on?
Then he is running a high post half the time with DMC out near the three point line setting screens? Why is he not down on the block? Why are we not feeding him the ball at the basket (at least not enough).
Even during the Laker game I was baffled at how the team was being run by four different people any given play and I told my buddy this will never work. This offense will crash and burn operating like that. Sure enough (Idid think it would take longer than three games to get this ugly, I mean YIKES!!!!)
If we want a chance at having a decent product on the floor we need to fire Westphal tonight. Let Kieth Smart set up an actual offensive system with a full time PG. If Westphal remains in place we are only one game, maybe two games away from a line up change. I don’t know if I can watch another year of Westphal changing his line up every game. Even tonight his bench rotation is already different. Who wants to bet his first change will be to bench Salmons and start Garcia? Yep the guy who hasn’t played a minute will be a starter in two games. That’s Westphal for you.

[nuraman00]

I give props to Hayes for calling out players, and for Cousins for saying "do what the coach says". Nobody on this team is good enough to freelance, and its a major concern that players don't seem to care after a lose. If the Lakers lose, Kobe is pissed and comes back with a vengence. If the Kings lose, Tyreke is ho-hum and comes back the next night missing free throws. Players have to hold themselves accountable, and play with a measure of self respect. Even if the team sucks, you want to be able to hold your head up and know that you did everything you could. Thats what the great players good, or even reliable role players.

As bad as this bout of drama sounds, I'm glad its coming out especially early in the season. It helps address the issues up front without much bs, and it makes it harder for certain players to hide in the shadows when they are doing things half assed. There is plenty of time to turn this bucket of trash into a true team and play strong throughout. They might not be playoff bound, but it doesn't mean they can't look good while losing.

To be fair, Evans did practice his FTs until 2AM, after the Chicago game. It just didn't make a difference in the New York game.

I'm not too surprised though. I've rarely seen a player increase his FT% from his career numbers, during his career. Whatever you are after 3-4 years is what you are. If it were that easy to improve, we would have seen other players make strides too, in the past.

I guess Malone improved his FT% from seasons of 74% to 79%. That's mild improvement. That's about the best I've seen.

Even Duncan had one year where he shot 79.9%, then went back to being a 60s shooter after that.

The Spurs hired a shooting coach a few years ago, and it didn't make a difference.

I'm not saying they shouldn't practice, it's just that it rarely actually works. But practicing should at least lead to confidence, which should help make a little bit more than they are now.

To change your FT%, you have to rework your stroke completely, and that takes years IMO.

[Eze]

He might be able to get into the low 80's, but I doubt much more. He's a 75-78% type of guy. He looks like a 35% guy right now though.

[nuraman00]

Crazy to think less than a week ago these guys looked like the second coming versus the Lakers and now some rookie PF drops a night night, keep your booty hole tight on them.

IMO, I wouldn't have called them the "second coming" a week ago in the Lakers game. To earn that, they would have had to have a wire-to-wire win, or a game in which they went up 10-15 points and held them at bay.

I mentioned that I expected more at some point in the future.

For example, I mentioned how a team like Portland had won 9 straight games at home against the Lakers, from 2005-2010.

Here's a typical box score from back in 2008:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200804080POR.html

They were up by 4 after the 1st, up by 11 at halftime, up by 16 after 3 quarters, and kept it to a 9 point lead the rest of the game.

Good teams blow others out from time to time. They start to have home streaks vs. certain opponents. Or just streaks in general (home or road) against an opponent. The Kings have won 1/4 games against the Lakers before. It will actually mean something if they win the season series, for example.

Remember when the Kings won 20 in a row against the Grizzlies at home?

We'll see if the Kings have any kind of consistent streak this season, whether it's against one team, or a series of blowout wins, or winning a few season series, or something.

[nuraman00]

He might be able to get into the low 80's, but I doubt much more. He's a 75-78% type of guy. He looks like a 35% guy right now though.

Yeah, I expect him to get back to being a 78% type player, but I don't think he can become an 82% player unless he changes his shot completely.

[Eze]

I was being a bit sarcastic :heehee: - just saying how fluid they looked together and less than seven days later, they look like a completely different team.

[nuraman00]

But Westphal needs to go and needs to go right now before this season becomes lost. The man is officially crazy. I have been posting that this hire was a bad decision from the get go. He coaches the regular season like it’s an 82 game preseason, never making up his mind and just throwing different stuff together to see what works.
The reason our offense looks like crap is because his offense is not using a PG. He is basically letting anyone bring the ball down the floor. Why is John Salmons dribbling the ball down the floor and initiating our offense? What the heck is going on?
Then he is running a high post half the time with DMC out near the three point line setting screens? Why is he not down on the block? Why are we not feeding him the ball at the basket (at least not enough).
Even during the Laker game I was baffled at how the team was being run by four different people any given play and I told my buddy this will never work. This offense will crash and burn operating like that. Sure enough (Idid think it would take longer than three games to get this ugly, I mean YIKES!!!!)
If we want a chance at having a decent product on the floor we need to fire Westphal tonight. Let Kieth Smart set up an actual offensive system with a full time PG. If Westphal remains in place we are only one game, maybe two games away from a line up change. I don’t know if I can watch another year of Westphal changing his line up every game. Even tonight his bench rotation is already different. Who wants to bet his first change will be to bench Salmons and start Garcia? Yep the guy who hasn’t played a minute will be a starter in two games. That’s Westphal for you.

Coaches don't want to come to an organization where a contract length is only 2 years guaranteed.

[nuraman00]

I was being a bit sarcastic :heehee: - just saying how fluid they looked together and less than seven days later, they look like a completely different team.

Your 2004-2005 thirteen win Atlanta Hawks!

[EvansCousinsDUO]

We should trade Paul Westphaul to minnesota for rick adelman, we will throw in a 2nd round 2013 pick as well as garcia to seal the deal.