Kings vs Pacers

[bloatedmaniac]

I don't see a thread so Ill toss it up. Salmons still starting. JT starting for Hickson.

[bloatedmaniac]

Kings with 2 early 3s and some missed easy shots.

[bloatedmaniac]

Cousins misses both free throws. Thankfully the Pacers look as miserable as the Kings on offense.

[bloatedmaniac]

Thornton with another 3. Kings looking pretty miserable again. Salmons though is unstoppable....cause he isn't doing anything so how could you stop nothing?

[bloatedmaniac]

They talked to Green before the game about how you get out of a shooting slump? Wow. How would he know, he hasn't come out of his since college.

[bloatedmaniac]

This is rare. The Pacers are even worse on offense than the Kings. So many chances and so many fails. Tyreke loses the ball and Stevenson misses a wide open layup.

[bloatedmaniac]

Luckily for the Pacers, the Kings are forcing a lot of crappy shots.

[bloatedmaniac]

Tyreke gets swatted, fails a put back, but JJ is there to make it work on the third attempt. Tyreke to Hickson for the breakaway alleyoop! Tie game.

[bloatedmaniac]

The Kings perimeter defense continues to be pathetic. As pathetic as a failed Jimmer entry pass to Amudson.

[bloatedmaniac]

Hickson needs to cut out those forced shots. I like his rebounding and aggressiveness, but he gets ahead of himself too much.

[IowaSacKing93]

Can't be here tonight but I just wanted to say Go Kings!

[bloatedmaniac]

Well we know that Donte can't toss an alleyoop. Nice recovery and put in though by Cousins. Cousins scores again in the next timw down. 1 point game.

[bloatedmaniac]

Jimmer with the running airball! Oh Isaiah, where art thou?

[nuraman00]

Jimmer with the running airball! Oh Isaiah, where art thou?

WOW.

[nuraman00]

West with a 1 foot shot.

[nuraman00]

Cousins with a fadeaway. Brick.

[bloatedmaniac]

Kings down by 4 with 2 minutes to go! Can they mount a comeback!

[bloatedmaniac]

Thornton goes right by everyone, but misses the layup, JT misses the tip but commits a foul.

[bloatedmaniac]

Cousins with the 17 footer!

[bloatedmaniac]

Thornton's 3rd 3 cuts it back to 2.

[bloatedmaniac]

Hickson makes his free throws to tie the game up!

[bloatedmaniac]

Cousins with the technical foul though for shoving West. Granger gives the team 1 point lead.

[bloatedmaniac]

Thornton with the sloppy pass leads ot a turnover. The turnover leads to a 2. 5 point Pacer lead.

[bloatedmaniac]

Thornton launchers a Jimmer-like 3 with 6 seconds left to go and misses. 50-45 Pacers going into the half.

[nuraman00]

50-45 halftime.

[nuraman00]

Kings down by 4 with 2 minutes to go! Can they mount a comeback!

No, it was deferred to the 2nd half.

[nuraman00]

Hickson makes his free throws to tie the game up!

Yeah that was nice. Especially considering the FT shooting today.

[nuraman00]

Thornton launchers a Jimmer-like 3 with 6 seconds left to go and misses. 50-45 Pacers going into the half.

Cmon Thornton, you're not a rookie.

[bloatedmaniac]

Cmon Thornton, you're not a rookie.

Experience matters not when you are a member of the Sacramento Kings!

[bloatedmaniac]

Pacers start the half with a 3. Kings start the half with a Salmons pass to a Pacer player for a breakaway

[bloatedmaniac]

Evans to Cousins down low for the dunk.

[bloatedmaniac]

Salmons with the 3! Start the MVP chants

[bloatedmaniac]

Granger makes it an 11 point lead. Time out Kings. Is it time for a total Kings meltdown?

[bloatedmaniac]

Whats this? Smart remember he had Isaiah in the lineup. Thomas to Garcia for 3!!!

[bloatedmaniac]

Thornton with the offensive foul on a 2 on 1 breakaway. Thats what happens when you don't pass...

[nuraman00]

Well, this Indiana game isn't the worst one I've seen.

This one is:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200601080SAC.html

[bloatedmaniac]

Thornton continues to force up trash, but he gets to the line on his second chance.

[nuraman00]

Experience matters not when you are a member of the Sacramento Kings!

I love how Petrie gets players who play like Rookies. Next up, he'll, get players who play like D-Leaguers!

[nuraman00]

Thornton continues to force up trash, but he gets to the line on his second chance.

Thornton sucks this year. :(

[nuraman00]

Thornton with the offensive foul on a 2 on 1 breakaway. Thats what happens when you don't pass...

Yeah that was bad.

[nuraman00]

Evans to Cousins down low for the dunk.

Evans has been initiating the offense decently the past week.

[nuraman00]

Stupid pass on a fast break.

[nuraman00]

Greene drives and misses a layup.

[nuraman00]

Yeah, Green was fouled.

[bloatedmaniac]

Well, this Indiana game isn't the worst one I've seen.

This one is:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/200601080SAC.html

but that was one of the greatest games ever by Hall of Famer, Jason Hart.

[bloatedmaniac]

Hibbert has 4 fouls and off to the bench. Kings got to go inside more now.

[nuraman00]

but that was one of the greatest games ever by Hall of Famer, Jason Hart.

Good observation. That was a decent game by him.

I thought Adelman was going to get fired after that game. Grant admitted as much a few days later, that he thought the Indiana game would have been it.

[nuraman00]

Hibbert has 4 fouls and off to the bench. Kings got to go inside more now.

Do you think they will?

[bloatedmaniac]

Cousins misses 2 ugly FTs, Garcia gets the board but loses it out of bounds.

[bloatedmaniac]

Thornton goes to the line for the AND1 chance. He is in full Tyreke mode, but he came through this time. 10 point game.

[bloatedmaniac]

T on Granger.

[nuraman00]

Collison with a runner over Thomas.

[bloatedmaniac]

Thornton with yet another offensive foul on a breakaway...

[nuraman00]

Thornton offensive foul on a pass and crash.

[bloatedmaniac]

Yay cousins learned how to make FTs again.

[bloatedmaniac]

Amundson beasting it.

[nuraman00]

This team is too impatient on offense. A corner 3 isn't the best shot when the Pacers have no one good inside.

[nuraman00]

Amundson beasting it.

I wish the Kings would try to score on him.

[bloatedmaniac]

Travis Outlaw is in. Game is over by default

[bloatedmaniac]

Yep, he comes in, and misses a shot right away.

[bloatedmaniac]

Rebound comes to Garcia. Garcia bobbles it around so Tyler grabs it and dunks it right by him.

[nuraman00]

Didn't Smart say he had things he picked up from last year, that he wanted to implement on his new coaching job? I'm not seeing anything innovative. Or even good.

[nuraman00]

Down 14 after three. I think they will come back!

[nuraman00]

Pacers scored 30 in the 3rd? Good god.

[nuraman00]

Garcia with a runner.

[nuraman00]

Outlaw for 3. His shot looks better than Fredette's.

[bloatedmaniac]

Its the Travis outlaw show!

[bloatedmaniac]

Tyreke with the chance for the 3 point play.

[bloatedmaniac]

6 point game, timeout Indiana. I'm sure they are discussing how to stop Outlaw.

[nuraman00]

Evans to Thomas, brick. Evans gets the offensive rebound. He takes it to the rack, and-one!

[nuraman00]

6 point game, timeout Indiana. I'm sure they are discussing how to stop Outlaw.

No, they actually have a smart coaching staff. I'm sure they're discussing how to stop Evans and Thomas.

[nuraman00]

Humphries goes for 18-15 with 4 blocks. Kings got the wrong Net.

[bloatedmaniac]

Evans with the airball. Sigh.

[nuraman00]

Evans to someone who bricks it. Thomas with the rebound!

[nuraman00]

Hansbrough travels. Man he sucks this year.

[bloatedmaniac]

Didn't Smart say he had things he picked up from last year, that he wanted to implement on his new coaching job? I'm not seeing anything innovative. Or even good.

Now now. Im sure he didn't put Isaiah Thomas into the game last year. Thats pretty new. Seriously though, he comes off as more talk then anything else

[nuraman00]

Vogel is thinking: "I can't believe we're letting the Sacramento Kings make a comeback".

[bloatedmaniac]

Oh god Outlaw, stop shooting.

[nuraman00]

Now now. Im sure he didn't put Isaiah Thomas into the game last year. Thats pretty new.

He did put Jeremy Lin though. With the way Fredette is playing, he's like the Sacramento Kings version of Lin.

[nuraman00]

What the fuck is up with these airballs?

[bloatedmaniac]

Now what will Smart draw up with .5 seconds left on the shotclock?

[nuraman00]

82-76, 0.5 seconds left on shot clock after the timeout.

[bloatedmaniac]

What the fuck is up with these airballs?

They are forcing it in order to get that one big shot, and aren't setting themselves properly.

[nuraman00]

BREAKING NEWS: Sacramento Kings have legally changed their name to Sacramento Airballs.

[bloatedmaniac]

Lots of shots, lots of open shots, lots of bad bad bad looking shots

[bloatedmaniac]

Travis Outlaw misses a 3 foot shot. Nice save by Cousins, Thomas to the line.

[nuraman00]

Cousins to Thomas, who gets fouled.

[bloatedmaniac]

Thomas misses a FT. Shooting themselves in so many ways.

[nuraman00]

Lots of shots, lots of open shots, lots of bad bad bad looking shots

You don't need to go to the Newman LASIK center to see that.

[bloatedmaniac]

GARCIIIAIAIAIAIAI WITH THE 3!

[nuraman00]

Garcia for 3!

[nuraman00]

Indy turnover! Kings ball.

[bloatedmaniac]

Thomas to the line. Make your Free Throws.

[nuraman00]

Sorry Garcia, you can't make that pose after a made shot when the Kings are playing this badly.

[nuraman00]

He makes both! 84-82.

[bloatedmaniac]

Kings fail to tie it. West now can make it a 5 point game at the free throw line.

[nuraman00]

Kings with another usual bad possession. West with the layup.

[bloatedmaniac]

The Thornton show has been cancelled. He is shooting this team out of the game...then again everyone else is too but he is so one dimensional atm.

[nuraman00]

Thomas initiating the offense has failed the last two possessions.

[nuraman00]

The Thornton show has been cancelled. He is shooting this team out of the game...then again everyone else is too but he is so one dimensional atm.

I know. Hence the "he sucks" comment.

[bloatedmaniac]

Thomas with the steal (didn't get the foul) but Thornton puts it in!

[nuraman00]

Thomas with the steal but he misses the dunk. Thornton with the layup.

[nuraman00]

I'm not sure if he was fouled, I'd have to see from the left side angle.

[bloatedmaniac]

Yeah he didn't seem to have the hops to really make it work. Should of layed it in! Speaking of which, he did it this time and got the 2!

[nuraman00]

Thornton steal, Thomas layup!

[nuraman00]

Granger offensive foul!

[bloatedmaniac]

Granger with the foul, Garcia down, Kings ball with a chance to take the lead.

[nuraman00]

The Indiana Choke Job is on!

[nuraman00]

I predict Tyreke Evans will give the Kings the lead on the next possession.

[bloatedmaniac]

Life is much better with Salmons, Jimmer and Outlaw on the bench

[bloatedmaniac]

I predict Thornton will make the basket to take the lead!

[nuraman00]

Thomas to Thornton, brick.

[bloatedmaniac]

Nope....great look...just didn't happen. Loose ball foul on the other end by Granger!!! GO KINGS, DONT SUCK

[nuraman00]

Granger with another offensive foul! Free throws for KINGS!

[bloatedmaniac]

and Garcia gives the Kings the lead from the line!

[nuraman00]

Nope....great look...just didn't happen. Loose ball foul on the other end by Granger!!! GO KINGS, DONT SUCK

Do the Kings ever take an inside shot that doesn't happen on a fast break?

[nuraman00]

and Garcia gives the Kings the lead from the line!

I agree!

[bloatedmaniac]

Rebound Evans! Kings with the chance to extend the lead! Thomas to Evans! Evans fails :(

Cousins forces the turnover!!! Kings ball!

[nuraman00]

Down 14 after three. I think they will come back!

Who called it! :)

[bloatedmaniac]

Do the Kings ever take an inside shot that doesn't happen on a fast break?

Only rarely. They stick around the perimeter or slashes to the hoop almost exclusively. Kind of a waste of Cousins at times.

[nuraman00]

Evans misses an off balance shot.

[bloatedmaniac]

Granger misses the 3! Thornton! Misses the 3, but Garcia steals it and gets fouled!!! Clutch hustle by Garcia

[bloatedmaniac]

Nooo Garcia misses the first free throw...in and out. Makes the second though! 2 point lead.

[nuraman00]

Only rarely. They stick around the perimeter or slashes to the hoop almost exclusively. Kind of a waste of Cousins at times.

Kind of a waste of being on the court. Evans, Thornton should be able to generate much better shots.

Even the slashes to the hoop are bad.

[nuraman00]

87-89, 54 seconds left.

[bloatedmaniac]

This is like the Bucks win. Kings weren't anything stellar, but the Bucks/Pacers collapsed completely so the Kings clawed their way up at the end.

[bloatedmaniac]

Cousins has his 19th rebound!!! Come on and score to win!

[nuraman00]

Hill misses, Cousins rebound!~

[bloatedmaniac]

Thornton keeps it alive, Evans to the line to seal the win!

[nuraman00]

Cousins has his 19th rebound!!! Come on and score to win!

They'll score from the free throw line. Evans will drain both!

[bloatedmaniac]

lol Evans......this isn't the time to choke. At least he made the 2nd. NO 3s on defense.

[nuraman00]

Fuck, Evans.

[nuraman00]

lol Evans......this isn't the time to choke. At least he made the 2nd. NO 3s on defense.

FOUL them!

[bloatedmaniac]

Kings use the quick foul strategy.

[nuraman00]

Evans fouls Granger. Nice.

[bloatedmaniac]

lol Granger with the violation!!! Kings game is being shown on NBATV gametime.

[nuraman00]

Granger with the FT lane violation. Nice choke. You must have "Sacramento" on your jersey.

[bloatedmaniac]

Give the ball to little Thomas to burn clock and make some FTs

[nuraman00]

Sorry Grant, Thomas didn't run the team that well. He was ok, but not starting PG caliber.

[bloatedmaniac]

Garcia to the line...almost turned it over. Questionable choice of inbounder imo. i'm surprised Thornton didn't try to shoot it.

[nuraman00]

Garcia almost loses the ball on the inbound (tough throw).

[bloatedmaniac]

Garcia with the interception to end it!

[bloatedmaniac]

Haha people on NBATV don't have anything to say about the Kings win.

[nuraman00]

Garcia with a clutch steal! Kings didn't really deserve to win, and Indiana choked, but they'll take it.

Nice having you here today bloatedmaniac (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?16-bloatedmaniac).

[nuraman00]

Haha people on NBATV don't have anything to say about the Kings win.

LOL. It really wasn't a good game by either team. Not even when Indiana was leading.

[bloatedmaniac]

Nope, it was a battle of two bad offenses. Neither team was making shots, even the easy ones.

[SactoIV]

30 offensive rebounds? What the actual fuck?

[bloatedmaniac]

30 offensive rebounds? What the actual fuck?

30% FG shooting helps those numbers lol. I mean the Pacers had 35 defensive rebounds. Thats a lot of misses to catch.

[Eze]

I heart Isaiah Thomas.

[DCKingsFan]

OK, I missed the game. But, we shot 30% from the field, ouch!

[Eze]

Outside of Jason Thompson, our highest shooting % player is DeMarcus at 42%. lol

We are currently shooting the worst % ever, for a team, in the shot clock era.

[Gunshot]

Thompson should really be a starter every game....not that he's a beast, but he's all around the second best big we got

[DCKingsFan]

Outside of Jason Thompson, our highest shooting % player is DeMarcus at 42%. lol

We are currently shooting the worst % ever, for a team, in the shot clock era.

OMG... OMG, that really isn't good. A bad shooting team and we trade for Salmons and sign Hayes. Ugh. At least I can undertand the Fredette signing in that context.

[EvansCousinsDUO]

Lol at some of the comments by pacers fans:

"But there was one play i was particularly mad about and that was the little short fry making that fast break layup with a minute left to them up by 3. Granger should have put him on his *** or blocked that shot.

Also that 5th foul on Hibbert was complete BS. He maintained his verticality on his jump. This league needs to fix letting short fry's run and jump into big men just to get a foul. "

[Eze]

:heehee:

[nuraman00]

Outside of Jason Thompson, our highest shooting % player is DeMarcus at 42%. lol

We are currently shooting the worst % ever, for a team, in the shot clock era.

A bunch of teams from 1957-60 were worse. But the Kings are the worst since 1961.

http://bkref.com/tiny/kwsOA

[Gunshot]

A bunch of teams from 1957-60 were worse. But the Kings are the worst since 1961.

http://bkref.com/tiny/kwsOA

come on now....we are still very early in the season
given time this team will get it together and get the record for before AND after the implementation of the shot clock

have faith

[Eze]

I loved Keith's response to the Salmons question after the game.

"Coach Smart, why are you still starting Salm.."

"Ohhh here we go"

lolz

[bloatedmaniac]

They asked the same with Jimmer when Isaiah is clearly outplaying him. Busts out there are no individuals, and we only play good or bad as a team. Well, this team is bad because of individuals who play like crap Mr. Smart.

[Eze]

I really don't know why they expect Salmons (assuming they do) to snap out of his slump. He's routinely been piss poor for his career when he's not a focal point and it's not like he's riding some 10 game slump like Grant wants to make it out to be. Dude shot 41% last year too and his defense was sub-par.

[Gunshot]

Salmons is a slasher (was a slasher).....never could shoot

but this year he looks really weak to me, like he's lost 15lbs or something

[Eze]

Yeah, I've noticed he's getting pushed around a bit more and seems much slower off the dribble on the defensive side.

[EvansCousinsDUO]

Definitely, Salmons is just not playing with heart. AT ALL. When he dribbles, when he shoots, all of it seems out of pace, out of rhythm, and just unnecessary and not pretty to watch. He needs to accept his role and the true undercover identity of this team, which is a great passing team. Salmons thinks we hired him to be our main scorer which is completely false. We need him to play great D and hit open 3s and pass the ball. Something that he seems to be failing at miserably. I wish we could switch JT's salary with Salmons salary because Salmons doesn't deserve even 10% of it.

[nuraman00]

Definitely, Salmons is just not playing with heart. AT ALL. When he dribbles, when he shoots, all of it seems out of pace, out of rhythm, and just unnecessary and not pretty to watch. He needs to accept his role and the true undercover identity of this team, which is a great passing team. Salmons thinks we hired him to be our main scorer which is completely false. We need him to play great D and hit open 3s and pass the ball. Something that he seems to be failing at miserably. I wish we could switch JT's salary with Salmons salary because Salmons doesn't deserve even 10% of it.

Salmons is 4th on the team in FGA, with 8.7. He's not trying to be the main scorer. Fredette is close to passing him with 8.0 FGA. Fredette is shooting .333 from the field, while taking almost as many FGA as Salmons. That's still 5% worse than Salmons.

Fredette also has a higher usage rate (percent of possessions a player looks to score while on the floor), 19.4%. Salmons is 10th on the team in Usage Rate, 15.5%.

His problem isn't accepting his role. He's taking way less shots than Evans, Cousins, Thornton.

His problem is making shots. He can't make them this year.

He's also not getting to the foul line 3-4 times a game like expected.

[nuraman00]

I really don't know why they expect Salmons (assuming they do) to snap out of his slump. He's routinely been piss poor for his career when he's not a focal point and it's not like he's riding some 10 game slump like Grant wants to make it out to be. Dude shot 41% last year too and his defense was sub-par.

His FG% has been inconsistent, regardless of his role, IMO.

His FG% in 2005-2006 for Philly was 42%. That was a thin team.

He shot 47.3% in his 21 games with Chicago, and that 2008-2009 team was closest to Sacramento in terms of roles. They still had other scorers ahead of him, like the Kings do now. Then in the playoffs, he averaged 18 points and had a 36 point game against Boston.

He shot 46.7% in 2009-2010 for Milwaukee, but that team was thinner. That was more like the older Sacramento Kings, or Philly, IMO.

He's never played for a team like Sacramento with 3 scorers better than him (Evans, Cousins, Thornton), so its' hard to say that he hasn't succeeded or failed in this role before, when its never been present.

He could just be breaking down this year, this is his 10th year in the league and 18, 578 minutes.

I don't think his FG% this year is a function of his role, as he's had both poor shooting and shooting shooting seasons with thinner teams. He could just be getting older.

[nuraman00]

come on now....we are still very early in the season
given time this team will get it together and get the record for before AND after the implementation of the shot clock

have faith

The Detroit Falcons shot 24.6% in 1946-1947. The only way that happens on this Kings team is if Mikki Moore, Eugene Jeter, and Jimmer Fredette take a combined 100% of the shots for the rest of the season.