How successful do you think Jimmer Freddete can or will be?

[EvansCousinsDUO]

What is your opinion on the potential of Jimmer Fredette. I think this guy is going to be a very important piece in the offense of the kings. Personally, I'm really hoping he lives up to the hype and scores BIG points. And also prove the ney-seyers wrong by playing some defense.

I would be crushed if he ended up disappoiting. Because we missed out on Kemba Walker and Brandon Knight.

[nuraman00]

Hey EvansCousinsDUO (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?54-EvansCousinsDUO).

[Gunshot]

Kings took a big PR gamble...
I'm sitting and waiting on it

[PackfanMatt_12]

He becomes a Manu/6th man type guy

[Eze]

I see the majority of the Kings on Twitter (Evans, Cousins, Greene, Thompson) working on their games. I see Jimmer..........watching BYU football with his cheerleader girlfriend. lol

[BosnianBaller_]

it all depends if he improves on his defense and passing game. he could be a legitimate starter or end up being a 6th man like jr smith who can come off the bench and shoot lights out on occasions.

[IowaSacKing93]

I see the majority of the Kings on Twitter (Evans, Cousins, Greene, Thompson) working on their games. I see Jimmer..........watching BYU football with his cheerleader girlfriend. lol

So he goes to a few football games on a couple of given Saturdays...that means he's not working on his game?

[SactoIV]

Realistically? I'm thinking Tony Delk, although I'd love to be proven wrong.

[Gunshot]

I'm thinking a better shooting, worse defending Mike Bibby type

[nuraman00]

I'm thinking a better shooting, worse defending Mike Bibby type

That is not possible.

[GoKings2010]

Its not gonna take him long to score his 1st points in the league. The guy is gonna start for us. Therefor I say hes prob gonna average 15pts 4 ast 2 boards a game.

[ctba]

I see the majority of the Kings on Twitter (Evans, Cousins, Greene, Thompson) working on their games. I see Jimmer..........watching BYU football with his cheerleader girlfriend. lol

Have you seen his GF?

[bloatedmaniac]

That is not possible.

Agreed. Can't be worse than something that doesn't exist.

I don't even know what to think of Jimmer yet. I just know he has a lot of work to do, and he might be too focused on his "fun times" to fix those issues. Its like Greene asking Jimmer to play in the exhibition game this month, but noting Jimmer might be too busy. Too busy doing things completely unrelated to basketball sadly. I want him to succeed as long as he wears a Kings uniform, but after watching Beno, Pooh, and Bibby suck it up on defense I'd like for him to be more than a one-dimensional scorer.

[Smills91]

I see the majority of the Kings on Twitter (Evans, Cousins, Greene, Thompson) working on their games. I see Jimmer..........watching BYU football with his cheerleader girlfriend. lol

You do realize he works out at the Marriott center with his trainer, right. To answer the OP, he'll be as good as Stephen Curry or better. There, I said it, rail on me now.

[Smills91]

Have you seen his GF?Fiance'

[nuraman00]

I'm thinking a better shooting, worse defending Mike Bibby type

That is not possible.

Agreed. Can't be worse than something that doesn't exist.

I don't even know what to think of Jimmer yet. I just know he has a lot of work to do, and he might be too focused on his "fun times" to fix those issues. Its like Greene asking Jimmer to play in the exhibition game this month, but noting Jimmer might be too busy. Too busy doing things completely unrelated to basketball sadly. I want him to succeed as long as he wears a Kings uniform, but after watching Beno, Pooh, and Bibby suck it up on defense I'd like for him to be more than a one-dimensional scorer.



dwckings85 (http://boards.espn.go.com/boards/mb/mb?fromUID=1592471680&username=dwckings85) posted this scout's take on Bibby, especially his defense, during 2006-2007. The scout's analysis is from 1998. This was a UC Berkeley scout who was scouting Arizona players.

It ended up being true in the NBA.

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http://www.ibiblio.org/craig/draft/1998_draft/Players/bibby.htm


I didn't see Bibby enough to give a full scouting report, but I do have a couple of observations. I heard the comment several times last year that Bibby's game had matured with regard to running a team. That fits with what I saw. His assist total didn't jump much, but Arizona's style didn't lend itself to one player piling up assists. Bibby improved a bit in almost every important category from an excellent freshman season, and adding 4 ppg while increasing your shooting percentage is a nice step forward.

What astonished me when I watched Bibby play California is how bad he was at defending the dribble. Over the past two years, Cal has had four guys playing point--Prentice McGruder and Anwar McQueen shared the spot in 96-97 while Raymond King and Thomas Kilgore split time there in 97-98. Three of those guys could drive past Bibby at will. Only McQueen didn't, and he rarly tried to drive at all. I realize that I didn't watch nearly enough games to come to solid conclusion, but if what I saw was any indication, every NBA point guard better than John Crotty will light up Bibby in the early part of Bibby's career.




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[Eze]

lol, I was half joking about Jimmer.

But, much like Spencer Hawes, there are guys that love the game and guys that play it because they've always been good given their talent level. Not saying that's the case for Jimmer, but, when you see guys like Honeycutt and Thomas working their ass off and Jimmer baking cakes, well...

I just don't know if he gets that it wont be BYU any longer. Like Maniac said - he seems way too focused on other things.

[boffacheerios]

Are we REALLY questioning jimmer fredette's work ethic guys? I'm not one of the suddenly abundant jimmer homers (BYU fans) on here, but saying that jimmer has been anything less than an incredibly hard worker his entire life is false. The only difference between Jimmer's routine this off season and guys like honeycutt and thomas is that Anywhere Jimmer goes he's recognized and in lot's of cases put on TV, written into articles, etc. That's just what comes with being a celebrity unfortunately.

[Eze]

I'm not saying he hasn't been a hard worker - but he clearly seems preoccupied with non-basketball related activities right now. And given the circumstances, it seems pretty odd to me.

I just don't want another Spencer Hawes scenario. Tools wise, Hawes was gifted - but he wanted to be elsewhere. Like a political rally.

[nuraman00]

I'm not saying he hasn't been a hard worker - but he clearly seems preoccupied with non-basketball related activities right now. And given the circumstances, it seems pretty odd to me.

I just don't want another Spencer Hawes scenario. Tools wise, Hawes was gifted - but he wanted to be elsewhere. Like a political rally.

Have you told him to go to Oakland and join in their protest rallies?

[Eze]

He was there1!!!1!1!1

[Smills91]

I'm not saying he hasn't been a hard worker - but he clearly seems preoccupied with non-basketball related activities right now. And given the circumstances, it seems pretty odd to me.

I just don't want another Spencer Hawes scenario. Tools wise, Hawes was gifted - but he wanted to be elsewhere. Like a political rally.

This post, uncharacteristically, is very ignorant in nature. Accusing Jimmer of not working out? Com'n man, you know that just isn't true.

[Eze]

lolol when did I ever say he didn't work out? He better work out - it's his job.

I said he seems more preoccupied with non-basketball activities.

[boffacheerios]

jimmer playing now in Utah vs stars game. free live stream here http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700195611/Live-stream-Pro-Players-Charity-Classic.html

[Eze]

Rough game for the NBA side.

19 points for Jimmer, didn't shoot too well though.

[nuraman00]

I'm not saying he hasn't been a hard worker - but he clearly seems preoccupied with non-basketball related activities right now. And given the circumstances, it seems pretty odd to me.

I just don't want another Spencer Hawes scenario. Tools wise, Hawes was gifted - but he wanted to be elsewhere. Like a political rally.


Have you told him to go to Oakland and join in their protest rallies?


He was there1!!!1!1!1

Occupy!

[boffacheerios]

Rough game for the NBA side.

19 points for Jimmer, didn't shoot too well though.

Ya his shooting wasn't the best we've seen from him. Although, I was pretty encouraged by his passing. He must have had at least 10 assissts, granted very little defense was played.

[Eze]

Be curious to see how he plays in Sacramento. The two games he played in Utah, he seemed a bit flustered - trying too hard.

[Smills91]

Get ready to find out. Dave Checketts said on ESPN 700 that a deal has been reached!

[ctba]

Get ready to find out. Dave Checketts said on ESPN 700 that a deal has been reached!

Christmas came early!

[Eze]

It broke Twitter.

[Gunshot]

false rumor....but everyone knows Checketts now

[Eze]

lol I was gonna say, he trolled a couple million if he's full of it.

[Gunshot]

hmmmm Checkkets ....:love:

[OZfan]

Im more intrigued by what Honeycutt brings than Jimmer. The Jimmer pick smelt of pure PR by desperate owners and I was dissapointed, but hopefully he will be a difference maker. Honeycutt droping into the 2nd eased the pain.

[OOTHNESS]

Nobody plays worse defense than Bibby!

[nuraman00]

Nobody plays worse defense than Bibby!

OOTHNESS (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?121-OOTHNESS), glad you found the new board.

[ctba]

Nobody plays worse defense than Bibby!

Maybe Kermit

[bloatedmaniac]

The scout was almost completely correct except for the "early part of Bibby's career" as even later in his career he blew lol. I guess nobody told Bibby he isn't supposed to guard other players from beside them. This worries me about Freddette as he was a one-dimensional player in college and encouraged to be one. Most point guards now are either really fast or big/physical types. Freddette isn't really either. The King's offering JJ a multi-year deal to be the starting point guard might be a telltale sign that the organization has the same concerns.

[Gunshot]

Jimmer is our Tebow......
and Cinderella stories working out don't come in bunches

crapstrorm

[nuraman00]

Jimmer is our Tebow......
and Cinderella stories working out don't come in bunches

crapstrorm

If only he was as physically overpowering or as fast as Tebow.

[bloatedmaniac]

If only he was as physically overpowering or as fast as Tebow.

but he is!!!!........compared to Bibby

[DCKingsFan]

We will know where he stands after Summer League... oh wait.

[prostacker]

You do realize he works out at the Marriott center with his trainer, right. To answer the OP, he'll be as good as Stephen Curry or better. There, I said it, rail on me now.

I think he can be as good as Steph Curry. I think he's sterotyped as a player, with alot of people who have never really watched him play.

[DCKingsFan]

I think he may end up being as good as a JJ Redick type (but at PG). It is going to take him some time to figure out the NBA (increased athleticism). He does seem like he will work hard.

I didn't like the draft pick, but I don't think he is going to be a Quincy Douby type of bust.

[prostacker]

There's nothing in his game that reminds me of reddick. Completely different type player. Reddick completely unable to create his own shot. Jimmer creates his own shot, he's not a catch and shoot guy, he can do that but thats not his game.

Watched him play SDSU who had great athletes a top 10 team for much of the season, try box and one, double and triple teams and he killed them off the dribble. Killed them. Again I think he stigmatized as a player by people who have never really watched him play.

[GoKings2010]

True no one has the inside scoop on Jimmer unless they pratically watched him in college. I dont know tomuch of the guy except they use to triple team him and he still put up 20+pts. The guy can score and thats something the Kings have lacked forever. U saw how Thorton cam ein for 2 months and lit it up and the fans all worship him now. I expect Jimmer to be the same way. He wil def be a fan favorite and I think the sky is the limit with this kid. How he controls PG and at NBA level might take some time but hell be okay. Who has a better jumper anyhow Jimmer or Curry?

[DCKingsFan]

That's not really my point - I was talking about the defensive side of the ball. They remind me of each other as to their defensive approaches (even their defensive stances and how both tend to reach for the ball when they are tired). Reddick didn't very many minutes his first year (although he was playing on a much better team). He just wasn't athletic enough to defend in the NBA.

My guess is that will be the same with Jimmer (although he may well get more minutes). Reddick kept working on his game and things slowed down on the defensive end of the court. My guess is Jimmer will do the same.

Ridick didn't have any trouble fitting in on the offensive side of the court due to his 3 point shooting. I don't think Jimmer will have many troubles on the offensive end of the court either. He is very crafty and that will translate to the NBA.

And I don't feel that college ball preps you for the NBA in terms of athletes that you see every game, I don't care which teams you play - but that is just an opinion.

[Gunshot]

Bibby was a terrible defender because he had no lateral movement....that was why he reached in and ole'd defenders as they went by..
I doubt Jimmer is that handicapped....Also think JImmer might be tougher

could be wrong though

[nuraman00]

Reddick turned into an improved defender by his 3rd year IMO.

[nuraman00]

Reddick can pass, handle the ball, and make FTs. The worst part about his game is his shooting. He can't make field goals.

Since he's been in the league, he's only ranked 86th in FG% among guards.

http://bkref.com/tiny/OO87O

That's not good for an alleged "shooter".

Yes he looks a lot better if you use eFG to account for 3-pointers, or TS% to account for his FT%. But I hate guards that can't make two-pointers.

I hate Steve Blake. Yes he can make 3's, but he went 37-113 on 2-pointers, for a 2-point FG% of .327.

[prostacker]

I think Jimmer gets better defensively just by the fact at BYU he had to be the PG and had to score 50% of the offense. You can't be a great defender and have that much responsibility on offense just not possible. He's a much better athlete than Reddick. In High School he was the number 1 ranked wr in the state of NY. I don't see any comparison at all to Reddick

[DCKingsFan]

Marginally better yes.

http://www.draftexpress.com/profile/J.J.-Redick-16/links/

http://ww.draftexpress.com/profile/Jimmer-Fredette-5810/

[DCKingsFan]

Link (http://www.standard.net/stories/2011/12/12/jimmermania-begins-kings-open-camp)

Lots of good and one, told you so :) : The point guard often looked lost defensively, missed shots and also piled up a few turnovers. Evans, the 2009-10 rookie of the year, blew past him on several occasions for easy buckets and his size and strength gave Fredette fits on the glass.

[Eze]

I want Jimmer to do well, obviously, but the continually increasing number of uniquely skilled talents that succeed at the college level but don't translate to higher level scares me. I don't think he'll bust (well he might in terms of name), but when you can score like he can - you'll always have a place - but I'd be lying if I wasn't a little worried.

[Gunshot]

"a little worried"?

I have visions of Charlie Brown running in circles

[nuraman00]

Link (http://www.standard.net/stories/2011/12/12/jimmermania-begins-kings-open-camp)

Lots of good and one, told you so :) : The point guard often looked lost defensively, missed shots and also piled up a few turnovers. Evans, the 2009-10 rookie of the year, blew past him on several occasions for easy buckets and his size and strength gave Fredette fits on the glass.

Sometime after preseason but before the season starts, I'll post my OFFICIAL thoughts on the offseason grades, including draft and offseason moves. I still haven't posted about the draft much, lol.

[nuraman00]

"a little worried"?

I have visions of Charlie Brown running in circles
Barkley once said this about Mobley: "He's instant offense . . . for both teams". Is that what will be said about Freddette?

[DCKingsFan]

Barkley really can be pretty funny but also very accurate.

I think/hope that he has a much better work ethic than Mobley (please be true!) and will eventually be a decent defender due to his strength and hand quickness (not speed). But it is going to take some time. We are going to need to be very patient.

[nuraman00]

how can one not comment on a Barkley quote

That's classic (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?94-DCKingsFan)DCKingsFan (http://kingsforum.net/live/member.php?94-DCKingsFan) sentence structure. I remember in the "NBA Preview 2007-2008" thread, in which we talked about Jamba Juice, and dutch_litchford said he was "not a fan", you responded "How can one not like Jamba Juice?"

[DCKingsFan]

Well, hopefully Fredrette will be like Strawberry's Wild and dominate!

[nuraman00]

Well, hopefully Fredrette will be like Strawberry's Wild and dominate!

Agree. He will provide much-needed rookie leadership from the bench.

[DCKingsFan]

I didn't see the game. Looks like a nice start for Fredette. Preseason games do count for rookies.

[DCKingsFan]

This would be a bump